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NIV evil
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 8%  [ 2 ]
NIV good
52%
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KJV only
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
NASB
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 4%  [ 1 ]
ESV
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
RSV
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NKJV
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NRSV
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other see below
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Zed
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

I see, hear, and read a lot about people think the NIV is corrupt. I mostly hear it from KJV only people, but also from some others.

I've been using it for years along with other translations but it is my main read though. PnP turned me onto the ESV a few years ago and I like it.

So I'm wondering what you all think. Is the NIV as evil as some think it is?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

Evil? Nah... but others are better. IMO.

I opt for the ESV, NASB (grew up on it) or NKJV.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

I find it "Ok".

I like 1 John in the NIV.

Some of the paraphrasing used does cause some confusion against word for word translation. I found a great deal on a wide margin Bible-- it happened to be NIV and I still bought it. I do mark in the margins where pastors in sermons indicate particular meaning.

I really like the Holman Christian Standard (HCSB) (2005 version). I found a decent deal on a "Minister's Bible" that has wide margins. I have it but haven't finished with the wide margin NIV yet.

G.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

Cut my teeth on the NIV, so I like it. Contextual translating isn't bad or evil. But if you like another version better that's cool by me too.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

I like the NIV best but I only have a HS education.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

I don't really like the NIV, but I don't go so far as to call it "evil". To me, it is just an inferior translation. I grew up on the KJV, but that has changed. Still, I like the old English sound and the more modern translations just don't hold me. I find that I can memorize better in Shakespearean English, probably because that is what I was taught to memorize throughout my school years.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

Original manuscripts only! Barring that, ....

Depends for what you are using a given translation.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

NIV 1984

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

hogleg wrote:
Depends for what you are using a given translation.


For daily reading i like the NIV, i also use it for studying along with many other versions (NASB, KJV, & NKJV).
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

NIV is a pharaphrase (dynamic equivalent) not a translation. I'm not a KJV only type but the NIV is not a bible for study use.

It's all about the manuscripts.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

AFRS wrote:
NIV is a pharaphrase (dynamic equivalent) not a translation. I'm not a KJV only type but the NIV is not a bible for study use.

It's all about the manuscripts.


With due respect Master Afers, the New International Version is indeed an actual translation. It is published by Zondervan. IMO it is very readable and quite accurate.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

BubbaJack wrote:
AFRS wrote:
NIV is a pharaphrase (dynamic equivalent) not a translation. I'm not a KJV only type but the NIV is not a bible for study use.

It's all about the manuscripts.


With due respect Master Afers, the New International Version is indeed an actual translation. It is published by Zondervan. IMO it is very readable and quite accurate.


Thought for thought is the phrase used here:

http://www.apbrown2.net/web/TranslationComparisonChart.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

+JMJ+
I would have to say that, for Scripture scholars, it's all about the manuscripts, as Affers says. Being neither a professional nor an armchair Scripture scholar, I'll take a Church approved translation, preferably as literal as possible, so as to provide the greatest surface area for interpretation. As for interpretational glosses, I'll take the orientation of organic Church culture and the guidance of the Saints, Church doctors, and Magesterial sources.

What's this have to do with the NIV? The same thing that I have to do with the NIV: Nuthin'.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't fuss over it much. I still have my big blue leather NIV study Bible from back in the day when I was associated with the Evangelicals. I don't see it as evil and footnotes are occasionally useful. The Orthodox don't have "approved" translations but we don't try to make any translation what it isn't. The NKJV is generally preferred and that's the translation used in the Orthodox Study Bible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

NIV is no good Im not a fan of incomplete books but the lowest I go is NKJV it bothers me to read the simple words

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