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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by Goose55 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:34 pm

I am trying Solani Aged Burley Flake. Too soon to say whether I will come to like it. Definitely not anything like a Virginia flake, not did I expect it to be.

For those who love Burley, PM me, and I'll send you a couple of these flakes in a standard envelop
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by philofumo » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:53 pm

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Would the now defunct Blue Boar classify as a codger burley, do you think? It was mostly burley, I know, but does it, or any of its present day clones, merit codger status?
Possibly,
possibly not.

Blue Boar was marketed as a "high grade mixture" but it was readily available so it seems to fit the bill.

Interestingly, I went looking for Runowski commentary on the stuff because I knew he had loved it and found an old post of yours on pipes.org,
pretty neat!
http://pipes.org/forums/messages/24/102 ... 1109723555

In this Runowski musing he denotes that Blue Boar was somewhat of a rarity amongst codgers, the kernel of a thread topic contained therein, regarding ones "signature smoke" is also very interesting...

...my signature smoke is Velvan Plug, but it is now dead --- my new signature smoke is Samuel Gawith Lakeland Dark, the room note ain't as nice as Velvan, but it sure does satisfy my needs with much aplomb.

The Runowski quote:
My old friend and mentor, the late Bernie Brenner, was a great, although rather eccentric, teacher and sculptor. He was also a prodigious pipesmoker of Kriswells and Blue Boar Rough Cut tobacco. Blue Boar was his favorite blend, and it became his signature blend. If one smelled the acrid and pungent aroma of Blue Boar, there was a 95% probability that Brenner was nearby. You didn't have to check the office schedule to know if he was in his office; just sniff the corridor. He wasn't the only smoker in that faculty cluster, nor the only pipesmoker, but he was the only person whom I knew who smoked Blue Boar. Other than his mentor, of course, but that's another story. Anyway, I was thinking of Brenner today and his olfactory signature. Then, I thought of JM Barrie, and his Arcadia mix (aka Craven's Blend), and how eloquently he described his obsession w/ the Arcadia mix. And, I thought of our Mr Morley and his obsession w/ Murray's Mellow Mixture, and the turn-of-the century advertisements for Honest: 'If that's Honest, then blow der smoke dis way.." said a tramcar driver to a young man smoking on the tram. And, James Schlesinger and HIS affection for SWR. And, another old friend, the late Mike McGonigle who smoked one fresh pouch of Granger each day. The foil pouch, only; not the tub pr the tin. One and three fourths ounces of tobacco, each day, all year long. These were individual peculiarities but the brand of tobacco was their 'signature', as clear and distinct as if there was the individual's photo emblazoned in 3-D in front of you.

SO, I'm certain that one of more of you remark on the lack of uniqueness. After all, what's unique about one person, one blend. Codgers have done this for years, mostly resulting from lack of information, their lack of being plugged into the omniscient 'Net, their lack of sophistication. Whatever. But, one's signature blend, in the '30s and '40s, marked the man as clearly as a billboard, too. The choice of blend noted one's station, one's activities, one's choices, one's self perception. One simply didn't flit from tobacco to tobacco; not that there wasn't ample variety but there was a strong conservative approach to smoking.

So, I pose this question to all of you this evening, "Do you have a signature smoke?". One so clearly distinct "you", that the mere charring light and the first few puffs would identify you to any one, even in a darkened room. And, then, what does that blend say to others about you? Sophisticated? Outdoorsman? Academic? Do we pick the blends because of taste or for more underlying reasons? I would bet the latter. Or, do we show out lack of commitment and 'flit about'? DO you have a signature?
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by philofumo » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:54 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:34 pm
I am trying Solani Aged Burley Flake. Too soon to say whether I will come to like it. Definitely not anything like a Virginia flake, not did I expect it to be.

For those who love Burley, PM me, and I'll send you a couple of these flakes in a standard envelop
That is indeed good stuff, but not very codgerly --- it is more along the lines of a "gentleman's burley". :)

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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by 7formy1911 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:48 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:37 pm
Would the now defunct Blue Boar classify as a codger burley, do you think? It was mostly burley, I know, but does it, or any of its present day clones, merit codger status?
I vote yes since the majority of the blend was burley with some additional leaves added to enhance the burley. If Bob Runowski cloned the blend then I would most assuredly bet on it being a codger burley. Since Morleys Best is his homage to Blue Boar I'll stick to my guns on this one.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by philofumo » Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:22 pm

In the earlier days, Blue Boar was rather expensive, I'm unsure if it carried a premium price in its later years though.

In 1916 it was 25¢ for the new "pocket package"...

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...while other pipe tobacco could be had as cheap as 5¢ for the same size package.

Here's an interesting doc from the American Tobacco Company's archive, but Blue Boar doesn't show up until around page 170 or thereabouts, and it details that it is an "expensive" tobacco --- sadly poor xerox quality will frustrate the reader as it is choppy, but there is probably a duplicate with better quality on the site, it is just difficult and time-consuming to hunt such stuff down....

https://www.industrydocumentslibrary.uc ... d=yghb0020

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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

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7formy1911 wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:48 pm
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:37 pm
Would the now defunct Blue Boar classify as a codger burley, do you think? It was mostly burley, I know, but does it, or any of its present day clones, merit codger status?
I vote yes since the majority of the blend was burley with some additional leaves added to enhance the burley. If Bob Runowski cloned the blend then I would most assuredly bet on it being a codger burley. Since Morleys Best is his homage to Blue Boar I'll stick to my guns on this one.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

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7formy1911 wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:48 pm
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:37 pm
Would the now defunct Blue Boar classify as a codger burley, do you think? It was mostly burley, I know, but does it, or any of its present day clones, merit codger status?
I vote yes since the majority of the blend was burley with some additional leaves added to enhance the burley. If Bob Runowski cloned the blend then I would most assuredly bet on it being a codger burley. Since Morleys Best is his homage to Blue Boar I'll stick to my guns on this one.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by philofumo » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:52 am

DepartedLight wrote:
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If only you blokes would be half as passionate about taxation being theft.

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Post by mountainman » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:24 pm

After reading through this thread I decided to open a pouch of Prince Albert; I had forgotten how much I enjoyed this tobacco. The smell of the tobacco in the pouch, the taste, the room note, all very pleasing. I do want to try some of the other codger burleys though, I think SWR is the next on my list to try.
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Post by Thunktank » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:00 pm

I peaked into my pipe and tobacco cabinet yesterday for the first time in a while with the intent to find a nice burly to smoke with my cup of coffee. But I ran into a couple of problems. First I couldn't remember which end of the pipe went into the mouth and then I couldn't figure out what the tamper was for. Alas I decided that I must have been aging my burly and that it probably needed more aging. :mrgreen:

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Post by A_Morley » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am

I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
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Post by Gabriel » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:33 am

A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am
I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
I have no idea, but you have piqued my interest.
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Post by GaryInVA » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:41 am

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:33 am
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am
I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
I have no idea, but you have piqued my interest.
Do tell.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by A_Morley » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:43 am

GaryInVA wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:41 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:33 am
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am
I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
I have no idea, but you have piqued my interest.
Do tell.
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Post by UncleBob » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:57 am

A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:43 am
GaryInVA wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:41 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:33 am
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am
I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
I have no idea, but you have piqued my interest.
Do tell.
'Tis Paladin Black Cherry. Far better than I remember it and a pleasant enough smoke in and of itself. Easily one of the better cherry tobaccos I've smoked, in this iteration, anyway.
Really!?! That was one of the worst tobaccos I have ever had the misfortune of ever setting a match to.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by A_Morley » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:56 am

UncleBob wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:57 am
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:43 am
GaryInVA wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:41 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:33 am
A_Morley wrote:
Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:03 am
I've recently discovered that an old OTC as released by a different company is now far, far better than ever it was before. Anybody care to guess to which drugstore tobacco I refer?
I have no idea, but you have piqued my interest.
Do tell.
'Tis Paladin Black Cherry. Far better than I remember it and a pleasant enough smoke in and of itself. Easily one of the better cherry tobaccos I've smoked, in this iteration, anyway.
Really!?! That was one of the worst tobaccos I have ever had the misfortune of ever setting a match to.
It's better now. I swear it. Not transcendent or ambrosial or anything, but it is passable to pleasant.
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Re: The Codger Burley Thread

Post by A_Morley » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:43 pm

I'd like to see a list of defunct but not unmourned OTC tobaccos. I've seen a few brands fade away in my lifetime. A few that come to mind are:
  • Field & Stream
    Greenbriar
    Walnut
    China Black
    Four Seasons
    Country Doctor
    Walnut
Do any others come to mind
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Post by sweetandsour » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:10 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:43 pm
I'd like to see a list of defunct but not unmourned OTC tobaccos. I've seen a few brands fade away in my lifetime. A few that come to mind are:
  • Field & Stream
    Greenbriar
    Walnut
    China Black
    Four Seasons
    Country Doctor
    Walnut
Do any others come to mind
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