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Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
by Fainn
I ordered an ounce of Walnut Match from P & C. Its listed on their site as an English blend, but listed on TobaccoReviews as an American blend. So, what makes an American blend?

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
by Del
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:50 am
by Goose55
You can never go wrong with Prince Albert. It's like comfort food. Having a bowl full right now, actually.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:25 am
by Rusty
Fainn wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
So, what makes an American blend?
Burley as the base tobacco for the Latakia mixture instead of Virginia.
If you look at virtually all English/Scottish style Latakia mixtures they're comprised of Virginia, Latakia, and Orientals. Even their Cavendish, when it is present, is derived from Virginia. Burley's are used by the Brits to carry toppings, usually in a different blend style altogether. So it's rare to find white Burley in an English style Latakia mixture. If white Burley or Maryland is present at all it is usually in small amounts that improves the burn (some Orientals tend to inhibit burn ie the bowl goes out a lot). Whereas traditional American Latakia mixtures use white Burley as a base and Virginia is more a condiment tobacco. American Cavendish is almost never derived from Virginia, instead it comes from Burley or Kentucky fire cured. The rest are the same though the proportions may vary compared to English/Scottish style Latakia mixtures.

This goes beyond Latakia mixtures too. If you look at the most common cigarettes in Britain, Canada, Australia, etc (Commonwealth countries) they're straight Virginias. Whereas American cigarettes are usually a mixture of Burley, Virginia, and sometimes Oriental. Why is the Burley usually found in a mixture? White Burley by itself has lower flavour and more body than Virginia. It tends to have a very subdued nutty-oatmeal flavour and it takes a lot of Burley in a mixture to be noticed. So the other condiment constituents round out the mixture with more interesting flavour.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:10 pm
by A_Morley
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.
What in God's Holy Name are you blathering about now, you melon-headed, socially inept windbag? What does that even mean? How was that even funny? Why are you allowed to own and use a computer or mobile device of any kind?

It's an American blend if the base leaf is Burley. Walnut, for example, is not only blended in America, but it also contains primarily Burley tobaccos with only a slight proportion of other things. Even if it does contain Turkish and Latakia, the primary component is still Burley, thus it is an American blend. It has nothing to do with the value judgement or perceived greatness of the blend. That's just stupid. Are you going to say that the only good tobacco is blended in America? I'm sure that there are a number of people who smoke and enjoy European blended tobacco who would take some issue with that, I can tell you.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:21 pm
by Bloodhound
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.
I am still in the 4th of July mode and this made me smile!

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:26 pm
by A_Morley
Bloodhound wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:21 pm
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.
I am still in the 4th of July mode and this made me smile!
Oh, great. Now he's going to sight this as an example of why he should be allowed to shoot his mouth off whenever he's feeling particularly lame. I can just hear Del now:

But Bloodhound said I was funny.

And you know what, I bet that your mom used to tell you that you were cool. If you truly believe in the legitimacy or democracy, you'll have to take the views of more than a single person into account.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:38 pm
by hugodrax
Burley tobacco is as American as they come. As has been said, an American Blend, also known as an American English, is burley based. I don't know why, but they just don't work for me. I've recently begun smoking latakia again after at least a ten year hiatus and the secret ingredient necessary for my enjoyment seems to be brown Virginia Cavendish.

I like burley but it doesn't work for me with the tarry latakia. I like American burley blends like Pegasus, though.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:52 pm
by Bloodhound
A_Morley wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:26 pm
Bloodhound wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:21 pm
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.
I am still in the 4th of July mode and this made me smile!
Oh, great. Now he's going to sight this as an example of why he should be allowed to shoot his mouth off whenever he's feeling particularly lame. I can just hear Del now:

But Bloodhound said I was funny.

And you know what, I bet that your mom used to tell you that you were cool. If you truly believe in the legitimacy or democracy, you'll have to take the views of more than a single person into account.
A_Morley
You are in fine form today, I am glad to see it

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:23 pm
by Del
A_Morley wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:26 pm
Bloodhound wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:21 pm
Del wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:47 am
It's a 'Murkan Blend if it's GREAT.
I am still in the 4th of July mode and this made me smile!
Oh, great. Now he's going to sight this as an example of why he should be allowed to shoot his mouth off whenever he's feeling particularly lame. I can just hear Del now:

But Bloodhound said I was funny.

And you know what, I bet that your mom used to tell you that you were cool. If you truly believe in the legitimacy or democracy, you'll have to take the views of more than a single person into account.
Actually, my mother used to belittle me constantly. Very abusive, physically and emotionally.

You are no match for her.

I'm sorry that Bloodhound chuckled at my silly post. Don't let it peck out your liver.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:35 pm
by Cleon
I concur with the previous posts. Burley is the foundation for American blends. I'd have to say that sweet additives would be a secondary characteristic since Burley doesn't have much sugar and overt taste on its own.

BTW, a friend's family has a business painting tobacco barns in Kentucky. The barns are all black from top to bottom. They use a special black, oil paint. These are huge barns on farms that grow acres and acres of Burley for the big tobacco companies. The big corporations are looking for consistency so they contract with these same large farms year in and year out. They don't want to source from many small farms. They'd rather source form fewer large farms. My friend showed me one farm that has been in the family since the 1830s, I believe.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:41 pm
by Del
In my opinion, the defining characteristic of an American Burley blend is an excess of propylene glycol.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:13 pm
by Fainn
So far, my favorite blend is Aperitif. So I've been on the look out for English blends with cavendish. Now I guess I need to look for blends where VAs are used as a base. I have certainly learned a lot from this thread.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:38 pm
by Rusty
Fainn wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:13 pm
So far, my favorite blend is Aperitif. So I've been on the look out for English blends with cavendish. Now I guess I need to look for blends where VAs are used as a base. I have certainly learned a lot from this thread.
Well, Aperitif is one of them (Va is the base for the blend). If you look through the Dunhill standard tin mixtures (965, Durbar, EMP, London Mix, Std Mix, etc) they're all like this but they're certainly not duplicates of each other. GL Pease has a lot of these too that are very good. I used to smoke quite a bit of Standard Mixture, when Dunhill made it. Nowadays I prefer more of GLP's mixtures.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:37 pm
by KYBURLEY
Fainn wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
I ordered an ounce of Walnut Match from P & C. Its listed on their site as an English blend, but listed on TobaccoReviews as an American blend. So, what makes an American blend?
Sorry to resurrect a long gone thread, but if you are looking for a good American style English I recommend Lane Ltd. Medal of Valor. I can't stop smoking this stuff lately. It's one of those kitchen sink blends, but the Burley and Latakia are probably the most predominant flavors. Very good Orientals are in it as well as a touch of Lerique. I've burned through a couple tins the past month. I think it's available in bulk, but am unsure if it's as good, as the tinned blend comes pretty dry already. Almost C&D dry.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:41 am
by A_Morley
KYBURLEY wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:37 pm
Fainn wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
I ordered an ounce of Walnut Match from P & C. Its listed on their site as an English blend, but listed on TobaccoReviews as an American blend. So, what makes an American blend?
Sorry to resurrect a long gone thread, but if you are looking for a good American style English I recommend Lane Ltd. Medal of Valor. I can't stop smoking this stuff lately. It's one of those kitchen sink blends, but the Burley and Latakia are probably the most predominant flavors. Very good Orientals are in it as well as a touch of Lerique. I've burned through a couple tins the past month. I think it's available in bulk, but am unsure if it's as good, as the tinned blend comes pretty dry already. Almost C&D dry.
While that one did slightly intrigue me I simply cannot smoke Latakia anymore.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:01 am
by Jester
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:35 pm
I concur with the previous posts. Burley is the foundation for American blends. I'd have to say that sweet additives would be a secondary characteristic since Burley doesn't have much sugar and overt taste on its own.

BTW, a friend's family has a business painting tobacco barns in Kentucky. The barns are all black from top to bottom. They use a special black, oil paint. These are huge barns on farms that grow acres and acres of Burley for the big tobacco companies. The big corporations are looking for consistency so they contract with these same large farms year in and year out. They don't want to source from many small farms. They'd rather source form fewer large farms. My friend showed me one farm that has been in the family since the 1830s, I believe.
Interesting. Did he say why they paint them black?

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:03 am
by Rusty
KYBURLEY wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:37 pm
Fainn wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am
I ordered an ounce of Walnut Match from P & C. Its listed on their site as an English blend, but listed on TobaccoReviews as an American blend. So, what makes an American blend?
Sorry to resurrect a long gone thread, but if you are looking for a good American style English I recommend Lane Ltd. Medal of Valor. I can't stop smoking this stuff lately. It's one of those kitchen sink blends, but the Burley and Latakia are probably the most predominant flavors. Very good Orientals are in it as well as a touch of Lerique. I've burned through a couple tins the past month. I think it's available in bulk, but am unsure if it's as good, as the tinned blend comes pretty dry already. Almost C&D dry.
Medal of what? I don't remember that one. So I check TR... this is gonna be good...

"Notes: A "re-make" of Medal of Honor although the components of MOH were Virginia, Mahalla, Dubec and Mountain Leaf Latakia."

LOL! A remake? Nope. This is a brand new blend. Medal of Honor was an English Latakia mix. And the man from KY is right; this is a different animal. 'Murican Latakia mixture. No remake here.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:11 am
by Rusty
Jester wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:01 am
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:35 pm
I concur with the previous posts. Burley is the foundation for American blends. I'd have to say that sweet additives would be a secondary characteristic since Burley doesn't have much sugar and overt taste on its own.

BTW, a friend's family has a business painting tobacco barns in Kentucky. The barns are all black from top to bottom. They use a special black, oil paint. These are huge barns on farms that grow acres and acres of Burley for the big tobacco companies. The big corporations are looking for consistency so they contract with these same large farms year in and year out. They don't want to source from many small farms. They'd rather source form fewer large farms. My friend showed me one farm that has been in the family since the 1830s, I believe.
Interesting. Did he say why they paint them black?
Tobacco is the debbil.

Heat. It absorbs heat which means it costs less to heat it when air curing it. I think many farms will cover the barn in black plastic if they haven't painted it black.

Re: Let's Talk About American Blends

Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:14 am
by A_Morley
Rattray's Black Virginia isn't an American blend, but still very good all the same.