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No selling hair, teeth or hands of saints, Vatican decrees
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In this file photo taken on April 10, 2014, Sister Amelia from the Daughters of Charity stands in front of the altar where the bloodstained undershirt worn by Pope John Paul II during the assassination attempt on May, 13, 1981, is kept, in Rome. The Vatican's saint-making office has updated its rules for authenticating and conserving relics for would-be saints, issuing detailed new guidelines that govern how body parts and cremated remains are to be obtained, transferred and venerated. (Credit: AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia.)

ROME - The Vatican’s saint-making office has updated its rules governing the use of relics for would-be saints, issuing detailed new guidelines Saturday that govern how body parts and cremated remains are to be obtained, transferred and protected for eventual veneration.

The instructions explicitly rule out selling the hair strands, hands, teeth and other body parts of saints that often fetch high prices in online auctions. They also prohibit the use of relics in sacrilegious rituals and warn that the church may have to obtain consent from surviving family members before unearthing the remains of candidates for sainthood.

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Officials said the new guidelines were necessary given some obstacles that had arisen since the rules were last revised in 2007, particularly when surviving relatives and church officials disagreed. One current case before a U.S. appeals court concerns a battle over the remains of Fulton Sheen, an American archbishop known for his revolutionary radio and television preaching in the 1950s and 1960s.

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The "updated rules" sound like the old rules. Christians have not been allowed to sell sacred items and spiritual gifts since this was refused to Simon the Magus.

Perhaps the "updated" portion is just adding a phrase to prohibit online simony. (I heard that the Vatican Secret Police have recently learned that people sell stuff over the internet.)
Heh. Maybe they added a couple of words, took out a comma. :D
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Vatican issues new rules on authenticating relics
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This silver reliquary of St. Jude the Apostle is seen in an undated photo at the Dominican Shrine of St. Jude Thaddeus in Chicago. The reliquary contains bones from the forearm of St. Jude ©CNS

'The dismemberment of the body is not allowed' unless the bishop has obtained permission from the saints' congregation

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The instruction replaces the appendix, "Canonical Recognition of the Mortal Remains of the Servant of God," included with "Sanctorum Mater," the congregation's "Instruction for Conducting Diocesan or Eparchal Inquiries in the Causes of Saints," released in 2007.

The new instruction outlined the specific procedures and personnel necessary for the canonical recognition of the authenticity of the relics or remains of a saint or anyone on the path to sainthood. It also specified that any action taken regarding the relics or remains must also conform with local government laws and have the consent of the saints' congregation and the person recognized as the deceased's "heir."

In the case of an upcoming canonisation or beatification, some small pieces or fragments already separated from the body can be removed and later given to the postulator or vice postulator for placement in a properly sealed reliquary, the instruction said.

But "the dismemberment of the body is not allowed" unless the bishop has obtained permission from the saints' congregation, it said.

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Post by hugodrax » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:13 pm

Well, nuts. I have three dead nuns in the trunk and "no dismemberment" is really going to wreak havoc with my plans.
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Well, nuts. I have three dead nuns in the trunk and "no dismemberment" is really going to wreak havoc with my plans.
A number of years ago, I remember reading about an overenthusiastic woman nabbing St John of the Cross' arm from the body (prolly wasn't even cold yet) and then, sheepishly returning it at some later point.




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Post by hugodrax » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:22 pm

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Well, nuts. I have three dead nuns in the trunk and "no dismemberment" is really going to wreak havoc with my plans.
A number of years ago, I remember reading about an overenthusiastic woman nabbing St John of the Cross' arm from the body (prolly wasn't even cold yet) and then, sheepishly returning it at some later point.
Sheepish, schmeepish. These ladies are going for a swim in the river.
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Re: THE CATHOLIC THREAD

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Well, nuts. I have three dead nuns in the trunk and "no dismemberment" is really going to wreak havoc with my plans.
Three Nuns is dead?

CS Lewis will be spinning in his grave!

Won't hold still for gathering relics, either.
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Pope’s ferocity with Roman Curia straight out of Jesuit playbook
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Pope Francis talks to Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, on the occasion of his Christmas greetings to the Roman Curia in the Clementine Hall at the Vatican, Thursday, Dec. 21, 2017. Francis acknowledged that there were plenty of competent, loyal and even saintly people who work in the Holy See. But he also said there were others who had been chosen to help him reform the Vatican and weren't up to the task. (Credit: Claudio Peri/pool photo via AP.)

Just as there is a shock in finding that the same Jesus who welcomed children and fed the five thousand, not long afterwards chased the money-changers from the Temple, it is easy to be startled by the side of Pope Francis on display in yesterday’s curial address.

There is a desert-father ferocity in the way he confronts what he spots as the bad spirit - the ‘enemy of human nature,’ as St. Ignatius describes it in the Spiritual Exercises - seeking to frustrate the Church’s mission on earth.

Indeed, his Jesuit spirituality starts from the assumption that precisely because the Church’s mission is holy, it is a ‘tempted’ body; and that the way in which it is tempted is often subtle, even ingenious.

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The whole speech - the latest in his series of annual addresses driving Vatican reform - was a refocusing on what the Curia is for, and a denunciation of where it has been distracted from that end. He even suggested at one point that officials consider the names of their dicasteries, which always include the pronoun pro, to remind themselves of what they are there to do.

He acknowledged that the Vatican was an ancient, complex, multifaceted body, which required “patience, dedication, and great care” to reform, but there was no getting away from its categoric sacred purpose: to serve the Church and the world.

Using two Latin phrases in the same sentence, he said the Curia was ex natura (intrinsically) ad extra (outward-focused), and that “a Curia closed in on itself would betray the object for which it exists, and fall into self-referentiality, which would condemn it to self-destruction.”

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As an antidote to that self-focus, Francis yesterday proposed that the Curia see itself as performing a service similar to that of an early-church deacon to a bishop, acting as his eyes and ears, and attending to the needs of others.

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Paul VI could be canonized in 2018, diocesan newspaper says
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Blessed Paul VI is depicted in a stained-glass window at St. Anthony of Padua Church in East Northport, N.Y. Blessed Paul VI could be declared a saint in 2018, perhaps during the Synod of Bishops, an institution he re-established after the Second Vatican Council, according to the newspaper of his home diocese. (Credit: CNS photo/Gregory A. Shemitz.)

VATICAN CITY - Blessed Paul VI could be declared a saint in 2018, perhaps during the Synod of Bishops, an institution he re-established after the Second Vatican Council, according to the newspaper of his home diocese.

La Voce del Popolo, the newspaper of the Diocese of Brescia, Italy, reported Dec. 21 that the medical commission and theological commission of the Vatican Congregation for Saints’ Causes both gave positive opinions about a healing that could be the miracle needed for the pope’s canonization.

The cardinals and bishops who are members of the congregation still need to vote for recognition of the miracle, and Pope Francis also must recognize it before holding a consistory to formally approve the canonization.

But the headline in the diocesan newspaper proclaimed, “It will be the year of St. Paul VI.”

“The rumors are so insistent and the steps so quick that everything indicates 2018 will be the year of the canonization of Blessed Paul VI,” the newspaper reported.

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Post by Del » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:01 pm

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Pope Francis expresses concern about falling birth rates in modern world
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(Reuters/Max Rossi)Pope Francis leads the opening mass for the synod of bishops on the family at St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican October 3, 2015.

Pope Francis has expressed concern about the collapse of birth rates in many modern nations, and he has reminded faithful Catholics that God's first commandment to man was to "be fruitful and multiply."

In his homily during mass at the Casa Santa Marta, Francis noted that infertility is considered in the ancient world as a curse, while fecundity is seen as a blessing. He lamented that many countries today "have chosen the path of sterility and suffer from that grave disease that is a demographic winter."

The pope asserted that many couples today refrain from having children for fear of undermining their own "well-being." He said that this would result in "countries empty of children" adding that "this is not a blessing."

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The pontiff further warned that collapsing birth rates is part of Satan's deliberate plans. "The devil wants infertility. He does not want us to give life, be it physical or spiritual, to others," he said, as reported by Church Militant.

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2017 alters the landscape of the US church
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Jesus Solorio, 11, carries a cross during a Eucharistic Congress procession June 17, 2017, in College Park, Ga., in the Atlanta Archdiocese. He is a parishioner of St. Thomas Aquinas Church in Alpharetta, Ga. (CNS/Georgia Bulletin/Michael Alexander)

Looking back at 2017 in the life of the Catholic Church in the United States, we can discern how the reforms introduced by Pope Francis are beginning to alter the ecclesial landscape in this country. There is still a way to go, to be sure, but the trajectory is much clearer as 2017 comes to an end than it was at the beginning of the year.

The first event was the appointment of Roy Campbell as an auxiliary bishop of Washington, D.C., in March. The appointment of an African-American auxiliary in the nation's capital came less than six months after Martin Holley, the previous auxiliary, was installed as the bishop of Memphis, Tennessee, in October 2016.

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To the mat for health care

The second indicator of a change in direction came during the meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Indianapolis in June. The bishops discussed congressional efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act: The House had already passed a repeal bill, and the Senate was getting ready to debate one.

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Defense of immigrants

The third instance of the church in the U.S. embracing Francis' agenda is the one that involves the least change: The U.S. bishops have long been united in their defense of immigrants, a defense that has become all the more urgent with the election of a president who revels in demonizing those immigrants.

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Free and easy dialogue

The fourth example of Francis' reforms taking effect was the conference on Amoris Laetitia sponsored by Boston College and the Chicago Archdiocese in early October. The conference treated the document as academic conferences usually treat such magisterial texts, looking at it from different perspectives and discussing how it relates to both previous teachings on this subject and to other areas of church teaching, like social doctrine.

It quickly became obvious that there were diverse theological opinions in the room and also obvious that none of them found the moral formation and pastoral practice that Amoris Laetitia calls for controversial. Put differently, the conference made obvious that the objections to Amoris Laetitia are confined to a noisy and organized fringe.

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Clinging to old ways

There are still Catholics who resist those [Vat2] reforms because, whether they acknowledge it or not, they resist the ressourcement achieved by the council. Whenever there is change, some wish to cling to the old ways and the perceived certainty they provided, even when it becomes obvious to most that the cultural encrustations that are the necessary result of inculturation by previous generations cannot become a prison for the word of God.

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Pope urges theologians to be ‘faithful, anchored’ to Vatican II
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ROME - Affirming the critically important role of a “free and responsible” form of Catholic theology in the life of the church, Pope Francis called on theologians to “remain faithful and anchored” to the vision of Vatican II, as well as “immersed” in the instincts and concerns of ordinary people who’ve never taken “academic courses in theology.”

The Second Vatican Council (1962-65), Francis said, called the Church “to announce the Gospel in a new way, more consonant with a profoundly different culture and world,” and he added, “The Church must always refer itself to that event.”

“That effort requires from the whole Church, and theologians in particular, to be implemented in a spirit of ‘creative fidelity’,” the pope said.

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The pontiff’s remarks came during a noontime audience with roughly 100 members of the Associazione Teologica Italiana, the “Italian Theology Association,” the main professional society for Catholic theologians in Italy founded after Vatican II and this year celebrating its 50th anniversary.

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Moving to specific challenges, Francis mentioned several areas in which he believe there’s need today for creative theological thought:
  • The “ecological crisis”
  • “Developments in neurosciences or techniques that can modify the human person”
  • “Ever-greater social inequalities”
  • “Migrations of entire peoples”
  • “Theoretical relativism, but also its practical version”
Francis applauded the Italian association for being made up of experts who don’t just “talk among themselves,” but who see themselves “at the service of the different churches and the Church.”

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Post by hugodrax » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:39 am

Thank you, Wosbald, for our daily dose of decidedly dubious dogmatic drivel. Few people have managed to disinterest me so thoroughly for so long. But I still read most of the articles, so you have rhat going for you.
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Only a well-formed conscience can decide: Cardinal Marx on sexual morality
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MUNICH, Germany - German Cardinal Reinhard Marx has stated that decisions about sexual morality must be discerned according to a well-formed conscience, respecting “the interplay of freedom and responsibility.”

The chairman of the German Bishops’ Conference said in a new interview that a person “has to be guided into the full reality of the faith and heed the voice of the Church. It is not sufficient to say that one knows by oneself whether something is good for you, or not. That would not constitute a conscientious decision-making process in the context of the Gospel.”

Speaking to the German magazine Herder Korrespondenz, Marx affirmed that this also applies to homosexuality.

A “truly comprehensive assessment of the severity of guilt” is not possible “without looking at the individual’s conscience, without looking at his reality, at the concrete circumstances.”

Marx warned against interpreting this “interplay of freedom and responsibility” as “relativism,” saying that while “there must be respect for the decision that one freely takes,” it is always within the context of the Gospel.

“It would be quite terrible to consider this as relativism, like some indeed have repeatedly claimed, as though everyone could just go about doing whatever they please.”

Asked whether he sees a risk of a new schism in the Church, given the current debates and controversies in Catholicism, Marx answered: “I don’t see this being the case. I’d rather say not to be afraid, the Lord guides the Church.” In fact, the Archbishop of Munich and Freising continued, “productive debates” are “particularly important in our time.”

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I'm going to schism.
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Not Catholic... It’s National Catholic Reporter!
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Re: THE CATHOLIC THREAD

Post by Thunktank » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:13 pm

Troubled are we?

Pope Francis diaconal primacy.

“As he moves from the general to the specific, Francis introduces a novel phrase he later repeats: “diaconal primacy.” This is leadership at the service of the supreme good and supreme law, which is, as he says, the salus animarum, the salvation of souls. All structures and processes in the Church must always keep this in the forefront.

Clearly Francis wants to shake those structures up if they do not serve the overall good of the Church and of Christian unity. And one such structure is that of the Roman Curia’s involvement in the appointment of bishops. On this he says we need “further study and review of the sensitive question of the election of new Bishops and Eparchs.” I wrote an essay about this in Commonweal more than a decade ago, noting that there was nothing in the teachings or theology of Vatican I or Vatican II requiring the pope to appoint bishops—a practice that was unheard of everywhere, including most of Italy itself, until late in the 19th century. It was only officially codified in the 1917 in a new canon that the historian Eamon Duffy has called a coup d’Eglise.”

The “mind of the church”does not require the Roman Curia alone. Unclench. :wink:
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Post by wosbald » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:20 pm

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The “mind of the church”does not require the Roman Curia alone.
If it did, we'd have been in a world o' hurt long, long ago.




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Post by hugodrax » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Good old thunk...neither fish nor fowl.
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