Yep, this is pretty much the way I think of priests. What can they do?wosbald wrote:+JMJ+
Why would anyone even go to a priest — indeed, what possible benefit could possibly be derived? — if the priest was nothing more than an arm of the worldly Powers, whether of the Church or the Statetuttle wrote:I do, however, view it as a weak link. I view it as an opportunity for a shepherd to do his job (protect the flock) and the hierarchy of shepherds at one point in time had made a law (a good one!) that has unfortunately in this scenario tied his hands behind his back. I don't think it was the cause, I do think it was/is a hindrance that is antithetical (in this situation) to his job as a shepherd and I think the Scriptures adequately address situations like this; justice being overlooked on account of religious rules. I'll likely not back down on that stance so long as I'm not Roman Catholic, which shouldn't surprise anyone, but it probably means we are at a point that we can't go much farther beyond. For what it's worth, I can see from your pov why you'd think I might sound rather combustible
But when you put it like this...
Why would you go to ANYONE ELSE for ANYTHING? Need a tooth filled? Have the priest ask God to heal it. Need a solution to a tough maths problem. Relay the request through the priest. If God can't solve it then who can? Got cancer... no problem.wosbald wrote:The priest must be Christ (in persona Christi/alter Christus). The priest must be He who can't be coopted or controlled by any earthly Power.
Of course it really doesn't seem to work that way in practice. Which is a bit disappointing.
Whaddya mean you haven't a clue?
I'm not in favour of priests breaking vows that apply to confession anymore than I think lawyers should rat us out.
But I do think the Catholic Church really went really wrong on the child abuse stuff. They did everything wrong. And they probably still have more country-scale crises (like Australia) to go. I don't understand their meager idea of progress on a problem that is such a threat.