When I said that the confusion "originates within Catholicism itself" I'm not referring to the system or the machinery, but rather the people defined by the boarders of Catholicism, thus if the main point of confusion is stemming from Catholics, it originates within (the boarders of) Catholicism and not from without. Are you of the opinion that there is no confusion amongst Catholics regarding the Pope's statements? Because that's my thrust. That's the "problem" I'm pointing at.wosbald wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:14 pm+JMJ+
Friend, of course you can "deal" or "not deal" as you choose. I'm only saying how your post reads to me. To cut me a wee bit a slack, saying that the Church is essentially confused ("originates in Catholicism itself") seems like a pretty "fearful" suggestion. It sure seems like it trades on the stereotypical Protestant fear of Popish Babylon.tuttle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:04 pmIf you read vague insinuation and fearmongering into that, I can't really stop you, but honestly, it's just me trying to wrap my mind around it. […] As far as that goes, regardless of whether I'm merely musing or capriciously carping about the Roman Church's contemporary internal affairs, I don't have to deal with Trent in the least. […] it looks like the real confusion in all of this originates within Catholicism itself, and not specifically the pope, nor specifically the current 'age' (though I'm sure they play a part).
And if that's what you want to do, then I'm cool (in a sense) with it. It would be honesty.
But if that's not what you want to do, then my point is simply that, for a Church so supposedly "confused", you've obviously had no trouble getting the point pretty clearly vis-à-vis Trent. And that, instead of standing agog at the contemporary Church convo, you might consider the invitation to enter into it.
I'm not sure, again, what all the rest you're talking about has to do with anything about all that. But thanks again for the invite.