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Post by hugodrax » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm

What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
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Re: Confessions

Post by Skip » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
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Re: Confessions

Post by hugodrax » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm

Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
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Re: Confessions

Post by Skip » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:00 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
See, now we're talking about basic differences between "mass" and "service." The "Protestant" view is that the message - or homily - is the most important part of the service and runs about forty-five minutes (thirty to sixty in my experience). The structures of the services are so completely different as to be inconceivable unless one enters the conversation with a completely open mind. (Del has struggled mightily here... :twisted: )
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Re: Confessions

Post by hugodrax » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:20 pm

Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:00 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
See, now we're talking about basic differences between "mass" and "service." The "Protestant" view is that the message - or homily - is the most important part of the service and runs about forty-five minutes (thirty to sixty in my experience). The structures of the services are so completely different as to be inconceivable unless one enters the conversation with a completely open mind. (Del has struggled mightily here... :twisted: )
I'm game. I freely admit to having a very limited personal experience. I've been to countless Masses, but outside of that I've attended precisely one each of a Lutheran and Anglican service. To be frank, neither of these differed very much from what I was used to in the Catholic experience.

I am slowly cottoning on to the fact that there is a vast diaspora of the Protestant experience. Even the term I would be most comfortable with, "liturgy", is probably inapplicable. There don't even seem to be "Seasons" in the sense I'd use: no Pentecost, Advent, Lent, Ordinary Time, etc.

Help me out. Talk down to me, if necessary. What is the structure of your service, Skip? Explain as if to a babe in arms, because I really don't understand.
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Re: Confessions

Post by Skip » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:31 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:20 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:00 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
See, now we're talking about basic differences between "mass" and "service." The "Protestant" view is that the message - or homily - is the most important part of the service and runs about forty-five minutes (thirty to sixty in my experience). The structures of the services are so completely different as to be inconceivable unless one enters the conversation with a completely open mind. (Del has struggled mightily here... :twisted: )
I'm game. I freely admit to having a very limited personal experience. I've been to countless Masses, but outside of that I've attended precisely one each of a Lutheran and Anglican service. To be frank, neither of these differed very much from what I was used to in the Catholic experience.

I am slowly cottoning on to the fact that there is a vast diaspora of the Protestant experience. Even the term I would be most comfortable with, "liturgy", is probably inapplicable. There don't even seem to be "Seasons" in the sense I'd use: no Pentecost, Advent, Lent, Ordinary Time, etc.

Help me out. Talk down to me, if necessary. What is the structure of your service, Skip? Explain as if to a babe in arms, because I really don't understand.
I'm on my iPad now (sleepy time), but I'll do exactly that tomorrow. Though I've only attended a couple masses, I used to actively listen to daily mass from St. Patrick's on my drive into work, so I'm roughly familiar with the liturgy. I would expect Lutheran and Anglican services to be very similar. Protestant services are a totally different beast. Stay tuned, bro...
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Re: Confessions

Post by hugodrax » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:57 pm

Thanks, sir. I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by mont974x4 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:58 pm

Skip wrote:
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:20 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:00 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
See, now we're talking about basic differences between "mass" and "service." The "Protestant" view is that the message - or homily - is the most important part of the service and runs about forty-five minutes (thirty to sixty in my experience). The structures of the services are so completely different as to be inconceivable unless one enters the conversation with a completely open mind. (Del has struggled mightily here... :twisted: )
I'm game. I freely admit to having a very limited personal experience. I've been to countless Masses, but outside of that I've attended precisely one each of a Lutheran and Anglican service. To be frank, neither of these differed very much from what I was used to in the Catholic experience.

I am slowly cottoning on to the fact that there is a vast diaspora of the Protestant experience. Even the term I would be most comfortable with, "liturgy", is probably inapplicable. There don't even seem to be "Seasons" in the sense I'd use: no Pentecost, Advent, Lent, Ordinary Time, etc.

Help me out. Talk down to me, if necessary. What is the structure of your service, Skip? Explain as if to a babe in arms, because I really don't understand.
I'm on my iPad now (sleepy time), but I'll do exactly that tomorrow. Though I've only attended a couple masses, I used to actively listen to daily mass from St. Patrick's on my drive into work, so I'm roughly familiar with the liturgy. I would expect Lutheran and Anglican services to be very similar. Protestant services are a totally different beast. Stay tuned, bro...
Let me help, if I may:

A typical order of service in most churches I have bee in looks like this:

Opening song to help get people in the pews
Announcements
Prayer led by worship leader/pastor
4-5 songs
Prayer
Tithes/offering
Sermon (20-30 minutes seems to be normal but some go as long as 40-45)
Prayer
Closing song and prayer.

Typically 60 minutes total.



The sermon itself depends on the style and conviction of the preacher. I would go 20-25 minutes. I would open with a statement giving the general idea I wanted to present. Then a verse by verse exposition of the passage. Then a recap of key points. I would work through books of the Bible this way.


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Re: Confessions

Post by Skip » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:30 am

mont974x4 wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:58 pm
Skip wrote:
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:20 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:00 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm
Skip wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:43 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:40 pm
What the hell are you talking about? Even a Novus Ordo Mass is about an hour. Better listen to the readings and the Gospel or there's no point in going.

As for a Tridentine High Mass, budget about two hours if it isn't a First Class Feast.
You even read, bro? I said "homily."
Yeah, I read. Thing is, if you don't listen to the old testament and the epistle, and hear the psalm, and listen to the gospel, then the relatively short homily tying them together is relatively pointless.
See, now we're talking about basic differences between "mass" and "service." The "Protestant" view is that the message - or homily - is the most important part of the service and runs about forty-five minutes (thirty to sixty in my experience). The structures of the services are so completely different as to be inconceivable unless one enters the conversation with a completely open mind. (Del has struggled mightily here... :twisted: )
I'm game. I freely admit to having a very limited personal experience. I've been to countless Masses, but outside of that I've attended precisely one each of a Lutheran and Anglican service. To be frank, neither of these differed very much from what I was used to in the Catholic experience.

I am slowly cottoning on to the fact that there is a vast diaspora of the Protestant experience. Even the term I would be most comfortable with, "liturgy", is probably inapplicable. There don't even seem to be "Seasons" in the sense I'd use: no Pentecost, Advent, Lent, Ordinary Time, etc.

Help me out. Talk down to me, if necessary. What is the structure of your service, Skip? Explain as if to a babe in arms, because I really don't understand.
I'm on my iPad now (sleepy time), but I'll do exactly that tomorrow. Though I've only attended a couple masses, I used to actively listen to daily mass from St. Patrick's on my drive into work, so I'm roughly familiar with the liturgy. I would expect Lutheran and Anglican services to be very similar. Protestant services are a totally different beast. Stay tuned, bro...
Let me help, if I may:

A typical order of service in most churches I have bee in looks like this:

Opening song to help get people in the pews
Announcements
Prayer led by worship leader/pastor
4-5 songs
Prayer
Tithes/offering
Sermon (20-30 minutes seems to be normal but some go as long as 40-45)
Prayer
Closing song and prayer.

Typically 60 minutes total.



The sermon itself depends on the style and conviction of the preacher. I would go 20-25 minutes. I would open with a statement giving the general idea I wanted to present. Then a verse by verse exposition of the passage. Then a recap of key points. I would work through books of the Bible this way.


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I have never broken a pipe, but I once dropped a meerschaum on the floor. It was a smooth pipe so it was easy to wet and sand out. However, I ended up tossing it a few years later because of some bad memories.
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I almost cried when the dr. mentioned increased risk of down syndrome for women Mary's age.
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Post by sweetandsour » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:28 am

Our son in law told my wife and I last night that he wants their family to become Catholic. We're life-long Baptists, so that's a pretty big bite to chew on.
As long as they are all Christians, with a personal relationship with Christ, I'm thinking.
But still, im still not totally comfortable with it. There's much more, of course. It could be worse.
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Post by Jocose » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:45 am

I recently spent 3 days and 2 nights alone with my girlfriend. There were no shenanigans. I felt bad after she told me that I'm giving her a complex.

We had a long talk about why I have certain convictions. I was happy to hear some honest questions and happy to answer honestly.

She still loves me and I love her.
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Post by sweetandsour » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:09 pm

Ever since Coco posted that video in the Pimple Pleasures thread I've been examining my nose closely every day for any sign of blackheads.
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Post by mont974x4 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:19 am

This morning I almost put a sock on the foot that I already put a sock on, which makes me think I should go back to bed.


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Re: Confessions

Post by Jocose » Thu May 11, 2017 12:57 am

Jocose wrote:
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I recently spent 3 days and 2 nights alone with my girlfriend. There were no shenanigans. I felt bad after she told me that I'm giving her a complex.

We had a long talk about why I have certain convictions. I was happy to hear some honest questions and happy to answer honestly.

She still loves me and I love her.
So we've been dating for nearly 2 months now, still no shenanigans have occurred. We still love each other and look forward to the day we may tie the knot.
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Re: Confessions

Post by Rusty » Thu May 11, 2017 10:17 am

Jocose wrote:
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Jocose wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:45 am
I recently spent 3 days and 2 nights alone with my girlfriend. There were no shenanigans. I felt bad after she told me that I'm giving her a complex.

We had a long talk about why I have certain convictions. I was happy to hear some honest questions and happy to answer honestly.

She still loves me and I love her.
So we've been dating for nearly 2 months now, still no shenanigans have occurred. We still love each other and look forward to the day we may tie the knot.
What are shenanigans - maybe hogging the popcorn?
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