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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:50 am

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So I've never fished egg patterns. Any tips? A local guy I came across swears by them in the spring. I assume like a nymph? Are they weighted normally?
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A little late on this, but generally speaking, dead drift with mending at the depth where the fish are holding.

Or (often used on the San Juan) as the top fly on a two-fly nymph rig as a kind of neon sign screaming "take a look" so the fish find the second fly, a nymph imitating the dominant food in the water at the time.

They may not take the egg, but you'll likely get more takes on the imitative nymph than you would without it.
I rigged this way often with clients who had trouble getting their fly to drift in the exact feeding lanes of feeding trout.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:55 am

Gabriel wrote:
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My first ever attempt at Wally Wings. Fun stuff.

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A difficult tie, nicely done Gabriel.
Give us a report on how they fish.

In the past, I had a great deal of difficulty getting similar wings to behave in the air. There was a tendency for the fly to spin and twist the leader pretty badly.
I was wondering about that. Even my hoppers are frequently more trouble than they're worth as far as that goes. To be perfectly honest, I have no great need for complicated dry flies. I do, however, greatly enjoying tying them and learning the techniques.

My most productive pattern is an ugly combination of sparkly black chenille wrapped around the shank with long, straggly, black hackle wrapped around it. Easy and productive, but not nearly as fun to tie as the above diminutive mayfly.
You tie, fish and think like a real fly fisherman, Gabriel!
Listening to you and seeing your flies, if I didn't know otherwise I'd think you've been doing this for 50 years!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:58 am

Ah, dp. While I appreciate the compliment (hopefully it was meant as one ;) ), you exaggerate a bit.

I really enjoy tying as an end itself, it's a creative outlet with practical use. In a former life I spent a lot of time painting and such, someday I may combine the two, but my artistic days have been on the shelf for the last decade or two.

Fly fishing has been, for me, the perfect confluence of so many things that appeal to my soul.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:08 pm

Gabriel wrote:
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. . . To be perfectly honest, I have no great need for complicated dry flies. I do, however, greatly enjoying tying them and learning the techniques.

My most productive pattern is an ugly combination of sparkly black chenille wrapped around the shank with long, straggly, black hackle wrapped around it. Easy and productive, but not nearly as fun to tie as the above diminutive mayfly.

Now that you're well and truly bitten by the fly tying bug, we can share a secret with you. Tying flies has nothing to do with actually needing flies. Neither is it about saving money. If you enjoy it, tying flies can stand as it's own activity, completely uncoupled from fly fishing. The two go better together for sure, but they don't have to. Ideally, you'd observe the fish in your neighborhood to see what they're eating, tie exactly two new flies to match, take them to the river, and give 'em a test. But we live in a fallen world so how it really works is that you see some sexy new thing on the internet, buy some new fur and feathers because of course this new pattern requires new materials, tie a dozen in each of four sizes, line them up neatly in the new fly box you bought at the same times as the new fur and feathers because all your other boxes are full of other flies you don't need, and then maybe - maybe - you'll remember to give one a try next spring.

(I'm using the small font because you did a foolish thing when you wrote that you have no need for complicated dry flies and I don't wish to draw Mrs Gabriel's attention to your admission.)


[EDIT]The post you put up while I was composing mine shows you've already figured much of it out.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:25 pm

Lol. Perfect.

Back at it this morning...

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:45 pm

FredS wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:08 pm
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Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:26 am
. . . To be perfectly honest, I have no great need for complicated dry flies. I do, however, greatly enjoying tying them and learning the techniques.

My most productive pattern is an ugly combination of sparkly black chenille wrapped around the shank with long, straggly, black hackle wrapped around it. Easy and productive, but not nearly as fun to tie as the above diminutive mayfly.

Now that you're well and truly bitten by the fly tying bug, we can share a secret with you. Tying flies has nothing to do with actually needing flies. Neither is it about saving money. If you enjoy it, tying flies can stand as it's own activity, completely uncoupled from fly fishing. The two go better together for sure, but they don't have to. Ideally, you'd observe the fish in your neighborhood to see what they're eating, tie exactly two new flies to match, take them to the river, and give 'em a test. But we live in a fallen world so how it really works is that you see some sexy new thing on the internet, buy some new fur and feathers because of course this new pattern requires new materials, tie a dozen in each of four sizes, line them up neatly in the new fly box you bought at the same times as the new fur and feathers because all your other boxes are full of other flies you don't need, and then maybe - maybe - you'll remember to give one a try next spring.

(I'm using the small font because you did a foolish thing when you wrote that you have no need for complicated dry flies and I don't wish to draw Mrs Gabriel's attention to your admission.)


[EDIT]The post you put up while I was composing mine shows you've already figured much of it out.
Weren't we supposed to keep all this insanity in the lock box, Fred?

I have dozens of dozens of steelhead and salmon flies in dozens of dozens of sizes and patterns tied over dozens of dozens of years. I generally fish just two flies, a favorite streamer (black & blue rabbit strip) and a favorite waking fly (bomber/moose turd). I live a minimum of 1200 miles from my closest preferred salmon/steelhead rivers and much farther from my truly favorite steelhead rivers, and haven't fished any of them for several years.

We're I to sit down and tie flies today would I tie a trout fly for the lovely trout river 10 minutes from my front door?
No.
I'd tie a steelhead fly.

And I'd be daydreaming about northern BC while beautiful trout dance at my doorstep.

(And if I were to go fishing on that nearby river today, would I take a reasonable trout rod? No. I'd take a light Spey rod and practice my steelhead/salmon technique.)

Smoking a pipe and drifting off into fantasy only makes it worse.

Way to go Fred. Putting it here where sane people (and wives) might see it.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:01 pm

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. . .Way to go Fred. Putting it here where sane people (and wives) might see it.
I guess Mrs FredS being 700 miles away lead to a sense of complacency on my part. Sorry guys.

I'm going to put a request in to the admins to see if they can scrub CPS of all posts prior to 10/08/17 and give us a fresh reboot. You might want to change your CPS password to make it more difficult for the Mrs to check on you. It's also a good idea to have a porn site open in another tab so you can quickly switch to it if she walks in the room while you're reading any of the fishing threads on CPS.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Dlibbon » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:15 am

Gabriel wrote:My first ever attempt at Wally Wings. Fun stuff.

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Fantastic! I wish my first attempts were that good!! Well done.


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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:51 pm

So... trying to organize flies. Again.

What tips, suggestions, or advice to you all have?

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:24 pm

Gabriel wrote:
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So... trying to organize flies. Again.

What tips, suggestions, or advice to you all have?

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Don't ask me.
I change my mind all the time!

Sometimes by the river or stream.
Sometimes by the kind of bug.
Sometimes for the kind of fish.

Big help, huh.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:10 am

durangopipe wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:45 pm
FredS wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:08 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 10:26 am
. . . To be perfectly honest, I have no great need for complicated dry flies. I do, however, greatly enjoying tying them and learning the techniques.

My most productive pattern is an ugly combination of sparkly black chenille wrapped around the shank with long, straggly, black hackle wrapped around it. Easy and productive, but not nearly as fun to tie as the above diminutive mayfly.

Now that you're well and truly bitten by the fly tying bug, we can share a secret with you. Tying flies has nothing to do with actually needing flies. Neither is it about saving money. If you enjoy it, tying flies can stand as it's own activity, completely uncoupled from fly fishing. The two go better together for sure, but they don't have to. Ideally, you'd observe the fish in your neighborhood to see what they're eating, tie exactly two new flies to match, take them to the river, and give 'em a test. But we live in a fallen world so how it really works is that you see some sexy new thing on the internet, buy some new fur and feathers because of course this new pattern requires new materials, tie a dozen in each of four sizes, line them up neatly in the new fly box you bought at the same times as the new fur and feathers because all your other boxes are full of other flies you don't need, and then maybe - maybe - you'll remember to give one a try next spring.

(I'm using the small font because you did a foolish thing when you wrote that you have no need for complicated dry flies and I don't wish to draw Mrs Gabriel's attention to your admission.)


[EDIT]The post you put up while I was composing mine shows you've already figured much of it out.
Weren't we supposed to keep all this insanity in the lock box, Fred?

I have dozens of dozens of steelhead and salmon flies in dozens of dozens of sizes and patterns tied over dozens of dozens of years. I generally fish just two flies, a favorite streamer (black & blue rabbit strip) and a favorite waking fly (bomber/moose turd). I live a minimum of 1200 miles from my closest preferred salmon/steelhead rivers and much farther from my truly favorite steelhead rivers, and haven't fished any of them for several years.

We're I to sit down and tie flies today would I tie a trout fly for the lovely trout river 10 minutes from my front door?
No.
I'd tie a steelhead fly.

And I'd be daydreaming about northern BC while beautiful trout dance at my doorstep.

(And if I were to go fishing on that nearby river today, would I take a reasonable trout rod? No. I'd take a light Spey rod and practice my steelhead/salmon technique.)

Smoking a pipe and drifting off into fantasy only makes it worse.

Way to go Fred. Putting it here where sane people (and wives) might see it.
Yep.

I have a box of bonefish flies.

I live nowhere near bonefish. I've never fished for bonefish. I'll probably never fish for bonefish. Hell, I don't know that I've ever seen a real, live bonefish. But damn, bonefish flies are cool.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:59 am

In fairness to all of us who tie flies that attract us as much as they do fish, I share the following:
My local fly shop bought some inventory from a North West shop that was closing and I saw some steelhead flies called Shykomish Sunrise lying in his bin one day. They were beautiful so I picked up a few. Later that month, on a whim, I tried some on a local lake and caught the heck out of crappie with them. I thought I'd stumbled on to the greatest fishing secret ever and I went back to the shop and bought all they had. I've never caught another fish on one.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Bloodhound » Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:29 am

With work being busy and getting to the cabin every weekend I have not tied a fly in over 2 months and I have avoided this thread...so time to catch up.

Gabe, great looking flys.
Durango Pipe, lets see some steelhead fly pics
FredS, lets see some bonefish fly pics

Hey, I haven't mentioned yet, when we took possession of the cabin, the former owner didn't want to hassle with moving personal items and furniture and... because they live in the East side of the mid-West. As we were sorting thru the stuff I discovered a set of tying tools, a vise and a shoe box with feathers, threads and a few hooks. So in the evenings at the cabin while my wife is reading, I'll tie some flys...and I'll get some pics this weekend.
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Post by Dlibbon » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:12 am

Bloodhound wrote:With work being busy and getting to the cabin every weekend I have not tied a fly in over 2 months and I have avoided this thread...so time to catch up.

Gabe, great looking flys.
Durango Pipe, lets see some steelhead fly pics
FredS, lets see some bonefish fly pics

Hey, I haven't mentioned yet, when we took possession of the cabin, the former owner didn't want to hassle with moving personal items and furniture and... because they live in the East side of the mid-West. As we were sorting thru the stuff I discovered a set of tying tools, a vise and a shoe box with feathers, threads and a few hooks. So in the evenings at the cabin while my wife is reading, I'll tie some flys...and I'll get some pics this weekend.

Score and a timely post. I went to grab one of my bigger boxes yesterday and opened it up to find a mess Of leaders flies parts of tippet etc. my lunch hour tomorrow is now spoken for.


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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:20 am

Bloodhound wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:29 am
Hey, I haven't mentioned yet, when we took possession of the cabin, the former owner didn't want to hassle with moving personal items and furniture and... because they live in the East side of the mid-West. As we were sorting thru the stuff I discovered a set of tying tools, a vise and a shoe box with feathers, threads and a few hooks. So in the evenings at the cabin while my wife is reading, I'll tie some flys...and I'll get some pics this weekend.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:23 am

durangopipe wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:24 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:51 pm
So... trying to organize flies. Again.

What tips, suggestions, or advice to you all have?

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I change my mind all the time!

Sometimes by the river or stream.
Sometimes by the kind of bug.
Sometimes for the kind of fish.

Big help, huh.
I hear that.
My current problem is finding adequate storage. I use the tobacco tins with foam glued inside for taking flies with me - along with my one actual flybox (a crushable, floating box from Orvis that I really like). However, tins are not really adequate for storing any great quantity of flies, particularly the streamers and such that I frequently use. What do you all use to store flies that you're not taking to the river? Any homemade suggestions?
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:08 pm

Bloodhound wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:29 am
With work being busy and getting to the cabin every weekend I have not tied a fly in over 2 months and I have avoided this thread...so time to catch up.

Gabe, great looking flys.
Durango Pipe, lets see some steelhead fly pics
FredS, lets see some bonefish fly pics

Hey, I haven't mentioned yet, when we took possession of the cabin, the former owner didn't want to hassle with moving personal items and furniture and... because they live in the East side of the mid-West. As we were sorting thru the stuff I discovered a set of tying tools, a vise and a shoe box with feathers, threads and a few hooks. So in the evenings at the cabin while my wife is reading, I'll tie some flys...and I'll get some pics this weekend.

What a great find,Bloodhound!

I've got a mess of photos of pipes with steelhead and salmon flies already on my hard drive. I'll try to get a few uploaded to Imgur and posted when I have a chance. Some of them were posted awhile back, but they were lost when Photobucket went south.

A while back, I think I mentioned that I was asked to contribute one of my steelhead flies and a story to a book that's coming out in November, America's Favorite Flies. I got an email over the weekend with a picture of the book cover and a poster of the 220-something included flies. I'll try to get that uploaded and posted as well.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:23 pm

Okay . . .

Here's the book:

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And here's the poster:

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See how prominently my fly is featured!!
What, no?

It's in the 9th row down, 6th fly from the right: the Steelhead Black & Blue. :lol:
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:06 pm

Here are some steelhead and salmon flies posed with pipes . . .

Stanwell pot with my Atlantic Salmon fly box (the fully-dressed flies in the clips were tied by Paul Burgess of Brecon on Powys, Wales; there are some small salmon doubles in the compartments tied by Keith Large of Aberdeen, Scotland - the rest by me):

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Stanwell Canadian with Steelhead Humpies and Steelhead Muddlers:

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Stanwell billiard and Canadian with Green Butt Skunks:

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Comoy's Sunrise billiard (wire rusticated poorly by me - my first attempt) with Freight Train and Max Canyon

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Stanwell Dublin with my small steelhead flies box:

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Wm. Wales diplomat with (again) Steelhead Humpies and Steelhead Muddlers

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Stanwell Billiard with Steelhead Humpy, Steelhead Bee and Steelhead Bomber

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:33 am

Bloodhound wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:29 am
FredS, lets see some bonefish fly pics
Unfortunately all my stuff is closer to you than it is to me and I don't have any pictures saved on line. The bonefish flies I tie are Crazy Charlie, Bahama Momma, Gotcha, and Bonefish Puff. Those all loosely (very loosely) imitate baitfish and I've caught warmwater fish on all of them.

I've also tied some flies called Pompano Rockets that are like a disco ball. Really flashy gold with orange/red or chartreuse/hot pink bucktail. I've never caught anything on one of those even though I've been throwing it for about five years. I think maybe it just too outlandish for freshwater fish.
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