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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:39 pm

Classic!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:12 pm

Nice one Gabriel.
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The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm

Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:12 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:47 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:12 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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Why the hell do I understand the reference to "Beaker"?
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:31 pm

FredS wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:47 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:12 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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I like it.
Why the hell do I understand the reference to "Beaker"?
You are wise to the eyes!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:07 pm

:lol: :lol:
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:25 pm

I think you should create a Muppets series of flies, Gabriel.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Sir Moose » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:06 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:31 pm
FredS wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:47 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:12 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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I like it.
Why the hell do I understand the reference to "Beaker"?
You are wise to the eyes!
Except I'm pretty sure that isn't Beaker - it's Pepe the King Prawn.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:08 pm

Sir Moose wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:06 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:31 pm
FredS wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:47 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:12 pm
Gabriel wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:03 pm
Had a few scraps left over. Might call this one "Beaker".

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I like it.
Why the hell do I understand the reference to "Beaker"?
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Except I'm pretty sure that isn't Beaker - it's Pepe the King Prawn.

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Wow!
I'd like to put a hook in that puppet and swing it through a bunch of salmon!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:30 am

durangopipe wrote:
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. . .I'd like to put a hook in that puppet and swing it through a bunch of salmon!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:03 am

FredS wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:30 am
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:08 pm
. . .I'd like to put a hook in that puppet and swing it through a bunch of salmon!
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I'm honored. :pipe3:
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by sweetandsour » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:23 pm

One of you guys tie me a couple of salt water shrimp. I'll send you some materials. I'm planning some night fishing for specks and sand trout.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:42 pm

There are exactly 1,936 salt water shrimp fly patterns. Any idea what the locals have luck with? White, brown, green, pink, orange?
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Post by sweetandsour » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:58 pm

Top colors lately are white, red and white, and of coarse chartreuse. Anyone who fly fishes here has what they call a "sea-duecer", which is typically good for tailing redfish. But what I want to try is something large finicky speckled trout will go after at night under the lights, when glass minnows and shrimp and shad are the buffet items. I'd think that the ticket would be something sinking just under the surface, but stay up well when stripping line.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:01 pm

Gabriel wrote:
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The best crawfish pattern, and the easiest to tie, I've used is nothing more than a brown wooly bugger with one addition: a pair of curved brown feathers (pheasant breast feathers work great) tied opposite each other on both sides of the rear of the hook curving outward on either side of a brown marabou tail. If you strip it with short strips, the water pushes the feathers toward the tail and when you stop the strip they pop back out to where they were. This simulates a swimming crawfish pretty well. It's a great stillwater or slow moving river pattern.

I tied this fly for the lower stretches of a tributary of the Animas, the Florida River, locally pronounced Flo-ree'-da, and we named it the Floreeda Crab. Subsequently, I got to fish it in the lakes at Elk Trout Lodge (a buddy who guides there got us
in; no way in hell we could afford to fish there) and it worked really well in their crawdad filled water.

If you don't have any pheasant feathers, try it with a couple of those died mallard flank feathers.

If you want you can make eyes at the head of the fly with about an inch or so of 3X mono tied in a road the hook and melted with a lighter.

Give it a try!
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Thanks for the suggestion DP, I actually have all that, or close enough. I have a whole pheasant skin from last hunting season, plus others. I'll have to see what I can do...
Nothing to add at the moment, just moving this conversation to the Tying Thread. I hope to have some time tonight or Saturday to experiment with crayfish patterns. Gonna have to be creative with colors.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:15 pm

Ok Durangopipe... my first attempt at your suggestion...

Keeping those feathers on the strait and level is a pain in the butt for sure. These ended up rotated a bit.

So, critique away, I need suggestions and I'm all ears.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:24 pm

(Or anyone else, of course)
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:38 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:15 pm
Ok Durangopipe... my first attempt at your suggestion...

Keeping those feathers on the strait and level is a pain in the butt for sure. These ended up rotated a bit.

So, critique away, I need suggestions and I'm all ears.

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Looks like a fly to try, Gabriel.

I'm a little worried about the weight distribution and how it's going to fish with a bead-eye in front and bead chain in the back. Honestly can't say--never tried it.

But I think this fly would work best without any weight and mono-eyes. Do the eyes first so you don't burn any feathers. I don't think the fish give a hoot about the eyes. They're more to catch fishermen, but they look cool. You can tie the fly without them if you want. What catches fish, mostly, is proper movement in the materials and a good silhouette. Then size. Then color. Then whether you're sticking your tongue out or not.

So:

Fish that one, and if it catches the hell out of them, give it a name, and you're famous!
Tell everyone it's better than my fly and they'll say, "Who?"

Also, tie one just like that, but with no weight, and some brown marabou between the "claws," if you have some and if not a clump of brown feather fibers like you would for a tail. There are a lot of wiggly parts - antennae, mouth parts - on the front end of a crawdad, back end of the fly.

Those, by the way, are the same pheasant feathers I used on mine.

When you fish it, as we almost always do here with nymphs, tie on about 12"-18" of tippet and put some lead (usually slips shot) above the knot so it won't slide down. That's pretty much a standard nymph rig. Weighted flied work fine if they're weighted properly for the water you're fishing, but if you don't weight the nymphs and use split shot or other weight just above the tippet knot you can adjust there weight so it's appropriate for the water and still fish the same flies.

The wrinkle is that this rig is a little harder to cast. You have to open up the loop a little and not tail the cast. It helps if you angle the cast rod to the side a bit or throw Belgian (not a Belgian person, a cast), which is bringing the bakcast back low and to the side and coming over the top when you go forward. There are videos. First, I'd just tip the rod off to the right a little.

Good luck!!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:57 pm

Yes, I'm curious about the weight distribution as well... the bead chain eyes are my attempt to have the fly swim hook up and off the bottom. The front bead is to get it to the bottom. Will they work together? Who knows... it is kind of an ugly set up.

It's hard to see, but there is a maribou "tail" between the feathers, fairly sparse and crowded out though. I had given some thought to squirrel tail or buck tail there?

One of these days I'll work up the wherewithal to fish with shot on the line, but... I still resist it as antithetical to fly fishing. I know it's a common practice, and probably more effective than weighting half of my flies but... I dunno... :)

Now you know why I'm always saying my wooly bugger casts are ugly. I don't think I've ever fished one without a heavy brass bead in the front.

I'll try some non-weighted with mono eyes... if I can find my mono...
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