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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by hugodrax » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:27 pm

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Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Onyx » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:30 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
Not the same wrong, because they are not the same theory. But perhaps the same condescension?

I'm not young earth (as is commonly understood) either.
Yeah, perhaps the same condescension. Like I said, I have sympathy.

And, OK, not identical wrong, but wrong in the same way. I mean this... If you are personally capable of doing the science, you will find that you agree with the established theory in either case. (There is a minute exception in the case of scientists who are also religious fundamentalists). If you are not personally capable of doing the science, or you have not read the balance of research, then you would be silly to pick a fight with the thousands of scientists who are. In that respect, it is the same wrong.
Onyx, I love you brother but is that an Argumentum ad populum I see in there?
Ok, let me fix that...

On either flat or young earth, if anyone has the study behind them, then let's hear it. If not, and yet he still has the confidence to dispute the results of those that do, then let's hear the basis of that confidence. EDIT: or perhaps, let's not bother hearing it.

I'm not saying it is silly to disagree with the majority. I'm not even saying that it's silly to disagree with the experts. I'm saying it's silly to disagree with experts from a position of ignorance.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:30 pm

hugodrax wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
hugodrax wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
UncleBob wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
I am tempted to join just for the membership card and the newsletter.
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Eh, they haven't killed any of us yet. I would love to have the promotional literature to hand out to the Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses that knock on my door.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:34 pm

Onyx wrote:I'm not saying it is silly to disagree with the majority. I'm not even saying that it's silly to disagree with the experts. I'm saying it's silly to disagree with experts from a position of ignorance.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by wosbald » Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:56 pm

+JMJ+
Onyx wrote:If you are personally capable of doing the science, you will find that you agree with the established theory in either case.
Well, there it is. The "No True Scientist" Fallacy.

1. All Scientists affirm "X".
2. There are Scientists who don't affirm "X".
3. Well, all the true Scientists affirm "X".

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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Onyx » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:03 pm

wosbald wrote:+JMJ+
Onyx wrote:If you are personally capable of doing the science, you will find that you agree with the established theory in either case.
Well, there it is. The "No True Scientist" Fallacy.

1. All Scientists affirm "X".
2. There are Scientists who don't affirm "X".
3. Well, all the true Scientists affirm "X".

:cheese:
Yeah, UncleBob pinned me on that. Although you are actually stretching what I said. I was just making a prediction of what I think would happen based on what almost always happens. Yet I accept, this part is not a strong logical argument. So I fixed it in reply to UB.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Del » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:41 pm

Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
But the Earth is young! Only 4.6 billion years!

Heck, our cute little universe is only 14 billion years old.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by coco » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:10 pm

Del wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
But the Earth is young! Only 4.6 billion years!

Heck, our cute little universe is only 14 billion years old.
When you are 20 years old, 10 seems young. When you are 30, 20 seems young. Just how old are you, Del?
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Rusty » Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:53 pm

coco wrote:
Del wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
But the Earth is young! Only 4.6 billion years!

Heck, our cute little universe is only 14 billion years old.
When you are 20 years old, 10 seems young. When you are 30, 20 seems young. Just how old are you, Del?
He's 55. Why?

So what happened? Do we have any flat earthers? Just young earthers? I think they're different. Onyx is wrong. This is what more spin does to one's brain. So is there a variety or spectrum of opinions concerning the Earth's age here?
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Onyx » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:07 pm

Rusty wrote:
coco wrote:
Del wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
But the Earth is young! Only 4.6 billion years!

Heck, our cute little universe is only 14 billion years old.
When you are 20 years old, 10 seems young. When you are 30, 20 seems young. Just how old are you, Del?
He's 55. Why?

So what happened? Do we have any flat earthers? Just young earthers? I think they're different. Onyx is wrong. This is what more spin does to one's brain. So is there a variety or spectrum of opinions concerning the Earth's age here?
Why am I wrong? I think the two errors are the same type of error. Not being identical, it stands to reason that they slot in at different points along the scale of silliness, but they both make the same mistake of rejecting widely understood expertise because it's trumped by narrow personal inexperience and ignorance.

I'm guessing that you think they're different because confirmation of the Earth's globe shape is within the reach of a normal modern person, whereas it's hard for a non-expert to confirm the age of the earth from his own sensory experience. Is that it?
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by Rusty » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:24 pm

Onyx wrote:
Rusty wrote:
coco wrote:
Del wrote:
Onyx wrote:
tuttle wrote:
Onyx wrote:Seems like I keep hearing about this. I'm guessing it's about 23% on CPS.
Coming to this thread hot off the heels of your ribbing reminiscing about my "flat-earth" theories...I'm curious if you are using the term 'flat earth' quite literally or are you indicating more or less alternative views upon certain scientific claims? I don't believe the earth is flat but I do hold to some alternative views upon certain scientific claims (which is what I assumed you were generalizing in that thread...)
Ha. Yeah, that's another thing. Young Earth, Flat Earth. Same wrong. Flat Earth is just a small enough minority to be cute. I have sympathy, but wrong is wrong.
But the Earth is young! Only 4.6 billion years!

Heck, our cute little universe is only 14 billion years old.
When you are 20 years old, 10 seems young. When you are 30, 20 seems young. Just how old are you, Del?
He's 55. Why?

So what happened? Do we have any flat earthers? Just young earthers? I think they're different. Onyx is wrong. This is what more spin does to one's brain. So is there a variety or spectrum of opinions concerning the Earth's age here?
Why am I wrong? I think the two errors are the same type of error. Not being identical, it stands to reason that they slot in at different points along the scale of silliness, but they both make the same mistake of rejecting widely understood expertise because it's trumped by narrow personal inexperience and ignorance.

I'm guessing that you think they're different because confirmation of the Earth's globe shape is within the reach of a normal modern person, whereas it's hard for a non-expert to confirm the age of the earth from his own sensory experience. Is that it?
Oh I see. You're classifying the belief rather than the physics of flat earth vs. young earth.

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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:12 am

I still wonder if we really have any flat earthers here and if they are hiding.
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Post by Cleon » Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:18 pm

UncleBob wrote:I still wonder if we really have any flat earthers here and if they are hiding.
For all practical purposes, I'm a flat earther. The math is negligible for any local event.
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Post by UncleBob » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:43 pm

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Post by SlowToke » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:05 pm

The Earth can't possibly be flat because it's hollow. Jules Verne wrote about it long ago. It was confirmed to be true in the documentary Journey to the Center of the Earth way back in 1959.
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Post by Jocose » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:35 pm

This thread has always perplexed me.
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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

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hogleg wrote:Isaiah 40:21-22 --- Have ye not known? Have ye not heard? Hath it not been told you from the beginning? Have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Job 26:7 ---7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
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Post by tuttle » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:20 am

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Re: So... Do we have any Flat Earthers here?

Post by TNLawPiper » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:35 am

tuttle wrote:Is the internet really a web?
It's a series of tubes, dude. THE INTERTUBEZ.

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