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BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by Rusty » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:22 pm

BAT agrees takeover of Reynolds in $49.4bn deal
British American Tobacco has agreed to acquire Reynolds American in a $49.4bn deal that will create the world’s largest listed tobacco company by sales.
BAT announces agreement to acquire Reynolds

If you own Reynolds stock, you're going to do well in this deal.

On the other hand it seems that BAT is also exiting the PT & cigar biz under their Dunhill brand.

BAT plans exit from Pipe Tobacco & Cigar biz
One of the most storied names in the world of cigars and pipes is going away.

Tobacco giant British American Tobacco is planning to no longer offer Dunhill cigars and pipe tobaccos.

“British American Tobacco (BAT) has informed us of their intention to exit the handmade cigar and pipe tobacco business for the Dunhill brands, said Régis Broersma, president of General Cigar Co., which makes Dunhill cigars and distributes them in the U.S.

“As this process will take approximately 12-18 months to complete, it will be business as usual; therefore, there will be no change to the way in which we manufacture, market and sell the Dunhill items in our portfolio in the near future. We are currently in talks with BAT to discuss the future of the brand.”
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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by ReverendThom » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:25 pm

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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by Rusty » Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:40 pm

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Relax. Don't do anything yet. It's 12-18 mo. away and it's a valuable brand. STG will be circling to acquire it. Look at who is making the announcement - General Cigar is an STG subsidiary. STG makes them under contract today so this is quite possible. STG acquired many other BAT PT brands back in 1Q2007 and this one somehow got away. PT is not part of BATs strategic plan anyway. BAT acquired all of STG's cigarette biz just over a decade ago and STG has since become a Big OTP specialist. The only other likely contender is MacBaren and all their acquired Imperial blends will likely leave the US market in the next 18 mo.
The unknown is where the FDA is on this kind of stuff.

Gee, with all the acquisition diseases that you're catching here one might think Christianity is an ineffective inoculation.
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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by philofumo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:12 pm

Latest news.

Recent posting and the most "official" word as of yet...

Hi All:
As you may have seen in a separate thread, BAT (owner of the Dunhill brand), has announced that it has decided to 'cease trading' with Dunhill pipe tobacco and cigars.

STG Lane is the importer for the pipe tobacco here in the U.S.

Here is what we know: BAT plans to cease trading Dunhill Pipe Tobacco in the U.S. in the next 12 - 18 months. The decision was the result of an internal BAT business review.

That is ALL we know right now. At the point of this writing, anything else you may read or hear regarding the precise business reasons behind the decision, exact timing, etc., should be considered pure speculation.

As we learn more about the fate of this beloved brand, we will of course keep you informed.




http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/d ... m-stg-lane

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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by Rusty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:44 pm

You go girl. I had no idea that you were really Leonard Wortzel, Brand Mgr at Lane... but if you weren't then you would have quoted him, rather than writing as if you were Leonard.

Are you Leonard, Grasshopper? If you're not ...
philofumo wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:12 pm
Latest news.

Recent posting and the most "official" word as of yet... from the Brand Mgr at Lane
Leonard Wortzel, Brand Mgr, Lane, wrote:Hi All:
As you may have seen in a separate thread, BAT (owner of the Dunhill brand), has announced that it has decided to 'cease trading' with Dunhill pipe tobacco and cigars.

STG Lane is the importer for the pipe tobacco here in the U.S.

Here is what we know: BAT plans to cease trading Dunhill Pipe Tobacco in the U.S. in the next 12 - 18 months. The decision was the result of an internal BAT business review.

That is ALL we know right now. At the point of this writing, anything else you may read or hear regarding the precise business reasons behind the decision, exact timing, etc., should be considered pure speculation.

As we learn more about the fate of this beloved brand, we will of course keep you informed.


http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/d ... m-stg-lane
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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by philofumo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:03 pm

Rusty wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:44 pm
You go girl. I had no idea that you were really Leonard Wortzel, Brand Mgr at Lane... but if you weren't then you would have quoted him, rather than writing as if you were Leonard.

Are you Leonard, Grasshopper? If you're not ...
philofumo wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:12 pm
Latest news.

Recent posting and the most "official" word as of yet... from the Brand Mgr at Lane
Leonard Wortzel, Brand Mgr, Lane, wrote:Hi All:
As you may have seen in a separate thread, BAT (owner of the Dunhill brand), has announced that it has decided to 'cease trading' with Dunhill pipe tobacco and cigars.

STG Lane is the importer for the pipe tobacco here in the U.S.

Here is what we know: BAT plans to cease trading Dunhill Pipe Tobacco in the U.S. in the next 12 - 18 months. The decision was the result of an internal BAT business review.

That is ALL we know right now. At the point of this writing, anything else you may read or hear regarding the precise business reasons behind the decision, exact timing, etc., should be considered pure speculation.

As we learn more about the fate of this beloved brand, we will of course keep you informed.


http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/d ... m-stg-lane
No duh Sherlock,
that's why I, uh, provided a linky-thing all hyper 'n all.

You can call me Leo.

I was expecting more from you,
I am disappointed.

The red ink'd correction pen should have slashed thru my posting and made note about how it wasn't "news" at all and only another re-stating of the HalfWheel article, so it wasn't even recent either --- the only new aspect is that the Yankee distributor who dwells in the ex-Confederacy (in the shadow of Stone Mountain no less) but now owned by a Danish superconglomerate actually made a "press statement" which nowadays seems to be de rigueur to do via socialmedia of some sort.

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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by philofumo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:21 pm

By the way,
if you had constructed a more comprehensible thread title then perhaps people wouldn't have posted a duplicate topic:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=42523

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BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

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Not!

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Re: BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Post by Rusty » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:20 pm

philofumo wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:21 pm
By the way,
if you had constructed a more comprehensible thread title then perhaps people wouldn't have posted a duplicate topic:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=42523

:!:

BAT Acquires Reynolds & plans to exit PT market?

Click bait?
Not!

:lol:
Oh, it's my fault that you can't quote him properly?
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Post by A_Morley » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:25 pm

So, we can reasonably assume that there will still be tobacco with the Dunhill name on the tin and being produced to relatively the same formulation as in times past? Is that what is being said here?
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Post by Rusty » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:26 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:25 pm
So, we can reasonably assume that there will still be tobacco with the Dunhill name on the tin and being produced to relatively the same formulation as in times past? Is that what is being said here?
I think it's not as sure a thing as your words indicate. But there is time yet to find out. I think formulation isn't an issue.

18 mo. away is at the end of the FDA grace period for OTP products not in distribution back in Feb. 2007. That just happens to be the timeframe provided by STG concerning their news story about BAT getting out of the OTP biz. Back in Feb 2007 BAT "disposed" of all their pipe tobacco brands but two. Dunhill was one of them. They sold all the others to STG. BAT pitched it as disposal and exiting the biz at the time. BAT had closed and outsourced manufacturing to STG in 2005. Also around that time STG sold BAT all their cigarette brands and so STG became an OTP specialist. The most reasonable outcome might be that BAT "disposes" of the rest of that OTP biz to STG and the products may continue. But reason isn't necessarily the operative influence. It depends on whether they can come to agreement on price. And the price is volatile. There is a clock ticking. And the EU is cracking down on OTP as well with the new TPD2 legislation. For the Dunhill PT tins this is essentially more labeling changes. The Europeans are talking about losing the products because BAT is reported to be unwilling to invest further in them to make them compliant.

The US market will lose a lot more OTP than just the Dunhill brand 18 mo.from now, unless something changes fairly dramatically. The costs of doing biz are increasing too. The next 18 mo. are a time when many are trying to maximize revenue for their products. Mac Baren, for example, acquired the existing Imperial pipe tobaccos but those were not in US distribution back Feb. 2007 so they will likely be discontinued in the US market 18 mo. from now. Perhaps that was the strategic reason for their high pricing.

My guess is that we'll see an announcement this year that STG, or maybe even Mac Baren, has acquired or come to some arrangement for the rest of BAT's OTP biz. And if it's STG and because both are publicly traded we'll see the details. And if they do become STG's or Mac Baren's then we'll likely see the product prices go up. The longer they go with no announcement the worse the prognosis. If they don't announce this year then all bets are off.
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Post by Rusty » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:46 am

LOL. That vid's funny. Durbar and Ye Olde Signe will likely be discontinued anyway because they were not in distribution in Feb 2007. No matter who owns them come Aug. 2018. So invest there for sure. But Nightcap should go on provided somebody convinces BAT to hand them over.

It might also be that BAT is concerned about the Dane's damaging their "big dawg" brand. The Dunhill brand is the first of BAT's premiere Global Driver Brands. BAT will not sell the Dunhill Cigarette brand. The idea of sharing the brand with Danes is probably an issue. It might also be that Richemont has some say here too or that there is a pre-existing agreement that bars more enterprises sharing the brand. It really is a big dawg brand. That makes a sale unlikely and it might be why they kept it back in 2007. And to be honest the Dane's may damage the brand. All they have to do is introduce some Danish foo foo under the Mighty Dunhill brand and people like me will start saying it's foo foo and not really Dunhill. I will. Look what they did to the Erinmore brand. And it's not like others have maintained the integrity of the brands they bought. LOL!

Pipe tobacco and cigars are not BAT's strategic market. They already disposed of a lot. So I think they really are getting out. They don't want to invest in the OTP market. That new investment failed a biz case inside BAT, according to Lane. And with new tobacco control initiatives in Europe and the US they're not going to invest & the one's remaining will have to invest. I think the only question is whether they're willing to split and sell part of their "big dawg". They didn't split the brand back in 2007 when they said they were getting out. They kept the Dunhill brand. Maybe they can differentiate the brand again? It's not like this would be new. Call it Dunhillé ... and pile in all those orphans. Yeah, that brand invites foo foo.

There is more info on the players & recent history with the Dunhill brand in the following thread...
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29021
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Post by AugustBurnsRed » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:38 pm

I'll be getting down on Ye Olde Signe for sure. Gotta make sure I have some of that for years to come. Hope to hear more on this situation soon. It will honestly suck to not see the Dunhill name on my tobacco tins.

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Post by Rusty » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:33 pm

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Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:38 pm
I'll be getting down on Ye Olde Signe for sure. Gotta make sure I have some of that for years to come. Hope to hear more on this situation soon. It will honestly suck to not see the Dunhill name on my tobacco tins.

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The blends that are likely to be discontinued by Aug. 8, 2018th, b/c they were not in distribution in Feb 2007, even if the brand & products continue under someone else are:
The recently new - BB1938, Dark Flake, Ye Olde Signe
The bunch that were discontinued in 3Q or 4Q2006 & returned after 2010 - Durbar, Eliz. Mix., Std Mix Mellow, Aperitif, Three Year Matured
And then when the brand was returned to distribution in the US in 4Q2010 - Deluxe Navy Rolls was introduced for the first time
It's about half of the product line. Make a point of trying them all, if you haven't already. 2018 is going to be a very sad year for pipe smokers, unless somebody tunes the FDA up. Losing half the line is going to happen with many brands. Some brands will vanish altogether eg Drew Estates.

The rest should be ok. Unless BAT packs it in and doesn't sell it to anybody, in which case all of them go but the date is indeterminate still.
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Post by AugustBurnsRed » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:10 pm

Rusty wrote:
AugustBurnsRed wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:38 pm
I'll be getting down on Ye Olde Signe for sure. Gotta make sure I have some of that for years to come. Hope to hear more on this situation soon. It will honestly suck to not see the Dunhill name on my tobacco tins.

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The blends that are likely to be discontinued by Aug. 8, 2018th, b/c they were not in distribution in Feb 2007, even if the brand & products continue under someone else are:
The recently new - BB1938, Dark Flake, Ye Olde Signe
The bunch that were discontinued in 3Q or 4Q2006 & returned after 2010 - Durbar, Eliz. Mix., Std Mix Mellow, Aperitif, Three Year Matured
And then when the brand was returned to distribution in the US in 4Q2010 - Deluxe Navy Rolls was introduced for the first time
It's about half of the product line. Make a point of trying them all, if you haven't already. 2018 is going to be a very sad year for pipe smokers, unless somebody tunes the FDA up.

The rest should be ok. Unless BAT packs it in and doesn't sell it to anybody, in which case all of them go but the date is indeterminate still.
See, that's where my problem is. Most dunhill stuff I've had is the later stuff. I have had my hands on a decent amount of tobaccos, but, dang. I really enjoy that Elizabethan and Ye Olde Signe. I love the Virginia's and dunhill Elizabethan and Ye Olde Signe are definitely some favorites of mine.

I'm still fairly new to pipe smoking so I have only started paying attention to the politics as of recently. It really is a shame for the tobacco community. I used to keep boa constrictors for a while. That was another community that is under constant stress from regulations.

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Post by Fainn » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:24 pm

I haven't tried Aperitif, but the reviews make it seem like something I'd enjoy. I plan on getting a few tins on IPSD.
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Post by Rusty » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:36 pm

AugustBurnsRed wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:10 pm
Rusty wrote:
AugustBurnsRed wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:38 pm
I'll be getting down on Ye Olde Signe for sure. Gotta make sure I have some of that for years to come. Hope to hear more on this situation soon. It will honestly suck to not see the Dunhill name on my tobacco tins.

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The blends that are likely to be discontinued by Aug. 8, 2018th, b/c they were not in distribution in Feb 2007, even if the brand & products continue under someone else are:
The recently new - BB1938, Dark Flake, Ye Olde Signe
The bunch that were discontinued in 3Q or 4Q2006 & returned after 2010 - Durbar, Eliz. Mix., Std Mix Mellow, Aperitif, Three Year Matured
And then when the brand was returned to distribution in the US in 4Q2010 - Deluxe Navy Rolls was introduced for the first time
It's about half of the product line. Make a point of trying them all, if you haven't already. 2018 is going to be a very sad year for pipe smokers, unless somebody tunes the FDA up.

The rest should be ok. Unless BAT packs it in and doesn't sell it to anybody, in which case all of them go but the date is indeterminate still.
See, that's where my problem is. Most dunhill stuff I've had is the later stuff. I have had my hands on a decent amount of tobaccos, but, dang. I really enjoy that Elizabethan and Ye Olde Signe. I love the Virginia's and dunhill Elizabethan and Ye Olde Signe are definitely some favorites of mine.
With the exception of Deluxe Navy Rolls all of them existed before when made by Dunhill Tobacco. So these are all 'things like' the originals. I smoked many of the originals. The current crop are not a replacement for the originals. But you'll hear this from most older pipe smokers. Loring even compared the loss of the originals in the move to Belfast with the Kennedy assassination in that we all remember where we were when... He's right too. They stopped making tobacco in the late 70's. Here's a chart from Loring with all these and more...

http://loringpage.com/pipearticles/duntob2chart.htm
AugustBurnsRed wrote:I'm still fairly new to pipe smoking so I have only started paying attention to the politics as of recently. It really is a shame for the tobacco community. I used to keep boa constrictors for a while. That was another community that is under constant stress from regulations.
Yep, tobacco control. But long before tobacco control was any influence the market was going away anyway. When you look at the Loring list of blends you may wonder why many were discontinued in the 70's and later. Through most of the latter 20th C. we were losing products to market shrinkage all the way along. In the 80's we lost most of the British pipe tobacco makers. The resurrection in about 2008 was prayed for years before but I think we all gave up and figured the market was in the last decade at the beginning of the 2000's. It turned out not be true, but with growth comes tobacco control. Kids like you start pipe smoking! That attracts attention.
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Post by A_Morley » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:39 pm

It occurs to me that I only barely care. I became rather disillusioned with Dunhill some time ago. There are far better classic British pipe and tobacco brands, at least, there are ones that I find live up to their reputation far better than does Dunhill. Then again, I wasn't alive for the glory days of the brand.
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