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Post by Goose55 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am

Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
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Post by infidel » Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:54 am

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Post by Rusty » Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am

Goose55 wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am
Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
The FRF think the crosses are 'plus signs'. I explained that. It's secular. Don't tell them otherwise. Some of them are now in fact arguing that all the arithmetic symbols should there. I tend to agree. But why limit it to arithmetic symbols?

And there is no "religion of atheism". Also the "eradication of any and all religious symbols from government" is just the thin edge of the wedge. Do you remember when they forbid smoking in elevators? It's like that.
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Post by coco » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:11 pm

infidel wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2gKOkTrZh8

Only two days left until the Great SignTM of Revelation 12. Hide your women and children!
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Post by UncleBob » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:49 pm

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Post by JudgeRusty » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:34 am

Anyone got a time on these events? I'm trying to plan schedule for rest of the day.
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Post by hugodrax » Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:49 am

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Post by coco » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:13 am

JudgeRusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:34 am
Anyone got a time on these events? I'm trying to plan schedule for rest of the day.
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Post by JudgeRusty » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:23 am

coco wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:13 am
JudgeRusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:34 am
Anyone got a time on these events? I'm trying to plan schedule for rest of the day.
The guy with the vintage 1976 sports coat says Donal Trump will convert to Catholicism today. He doesn't give a time, however.
I suppose 'check your local listings' (and sky) is the order of the day then.
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Post by durangopipe » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:45 am

I believe it will be at 9:23 PM, but I'm not sure what time zone. Whenever it is, it will surely be after the Alabama/Vanderbilt game.

I'm waiting for news of Donald's conversion (along with the rest of his Protestant brethren) to the remnant Catholic church on Twitter.

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Post by Del » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:27 am

Rusty wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
Goose55 wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am
Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
The FRF think the crosses are 'plus signs'. I explained that. It's secular. Don't tell them otherwise. Some of them are now in fact arguing that all the arithmetic symbols should there. I tend to agree. But why limit it to arithmetic symbols?

And there is no "religion of atheism". Also the "eradication of any and all religious symbols from government" is just the thin edge of the wedge. Do you remember when they forbid smoking in elevators? It's like that.
Of course, there is a "religion of atheism." These differ from simple unbelievers in that they have dogmatic faith in the declaration that "there is no god."

And when they strive to impose their dogma upon us, and insist that we must eradicate all signs of faith from public life, then they are very puritanical religion indeed.
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Post by coco » Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:47 am

I read a site saying it would be at 8:30 pm Jerusalem time, so you have about another 45 minutes.
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Post by Rusty » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:56 am

Del wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:27 am
Rusty wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
Goose55 wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am
Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
The FRF think the crosses are 'plus signs'. I explained that. It's secular. Don't tell them otherwise. Some of them are now in fact arguing that all the arithmetic symbols should there. I tend to agree. But why limit it to arithmetic symbols?

And there is no "religion of atheism". Also the "eradication of any and all religious symbols from government" is just the thin edge of the wedge. Do you remember when they forbid smoking in elevators? It's like that.
Of course, there is a "religion of atheism." These differ from simple unbelievers in that they have dogmatic faith in the declaration that "there is no god."

And when they strive to impose their dogma upon us, and insist that we must eradicate all signs of faith from public life, then they are very puritanical religion indeed.
Dogmatic faith? LOL! Seems redundant to qualify it that way. I love your posts, Del.

There is no religion of atheism. Ultimately we don't know whether there is any supernatural anything or god. That's the agnostic part and I suspect that this includes virtually all of humanity. Many of us (agnostics) don't believe in gods, supernatural etc. There isn't enough evidence etc to make belief likely. It looks really unlikely and unworthy of belief. That's the atheist part. It's not a religion. We treat all the gods & dogma this way ie no belief. It's skepticism that is operative. What we see of Christian dogmas aren't convincing and so we dismiss any belief. It's not that it doesn't have value. Perhaps it's a failure of (orthodox) religion? With many I suspect that orthodox religious practice, community etc was not part of their upbringing. They grew up in a secular family. So it's also missing from their worldview.

Most atheists don't care enough about the topic to even engage it and I suspect that it's not knowing and not believing. When that is the state there is almost nothing to talk about. This is probably very much like your disbelief in Greek and Nordic Gods. It's not as if you experience episodes of disbelief about Nordic gods. Your disbelief doesn't qualify as a religion. Your Christian beliefs do qualify as religion, faith, etc. It's harder to explain the evangelizing atheist. So the interest is in those that do believe. You folks are the interesting case.

I think there might be agnostics that do believe and are religious. In fact I treat all of you as evidence of this.
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Post by coco » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:16 pm

coco wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:11 pm
infidel wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2gKOkTrZh8

Only two days left until the Great SignTM of Revelation 12. Hide your women and children!
In only two days, pink, naked women with extremely small heads will appear in the sky!
There is a pinkish cloud that looks just like a pudgy naked woman in the sky! No Rorschach/Freud jokes, this is for real!

Donald is going to be a 'UGE Catholic any time now!
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Post by Del » Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:03 pm

Rusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:56 am
Del wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:27 am
Rusty wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
Goose55 wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am
Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
The FRF think the crosses are 'plus signs'. I explained that. It's secular. Don't tell them otherwise. Some of them are now in fact arguing that all the arithmetic symbols should there. I tend to agree. But why limit it to arithmetic symbols?

And there is no "religion of atheism". Also the "eradication of any and all religious symbols from government" is just the thin edge of the wedge. Do you remember when they forbid smoking in elevators? It's like that.
Of course, there is a "religion of atheism." These differ from simple unbelievers in that they have dogmatic faith in the declaration that "there is no god."

And when they strive to impose their dogma upon us, and insist that we must eradicate all signs of faith from public life, then they are very puritanical religion indeed.
Dogmatic faith? LOL! Seems redundant to qualify it that way. I love your posts, Del.

There is no religion of atheism. Ultimately we don't know whether there is any supernatural anything or god. That's the agnostic part and I suspect that this includes virtually all of humanity. Many of us (agnostics) don't believe in gods, supernatural etc. There isn't enough evidence etc to make belief likely. It looks really unlikely and unworthy of belief. That's the atheist part. It's not a religion. We treat all the gods & dogma this way ie no belief. It's skepticism that is operative. What we see of Christian dogmas aren't convincing and so we dismiss any belief. It's not that it doesn't have value. Perhaps it's a failure of (orthodox) religion? With many I suspect that orthodox religious practice, community etc was not part of their upbringing. They grew up in a secular family. So it's also missing from their worldview.

Most atheists don't care enough about the topic to even engage it and I suspect that it's not knowing and not believing. When that is the state there is almost nothing to talk about. This is probably very much like your disbelief in Greek and Nordic Gods. It's not as if you experience episodes of disbelief about Nordic gods. Your disbelief doesn't qualify as a religion. Your Christian beliefs do qualify as religion, faith, etc. It's harder to explain the evangelizing atheist. So the interest is in those that do believe. You folks are the interesting case.

I think there might be agnostics that do believe and are religious. In fact I treat all of you as evidence of this.
I get it. Honest agnosticism is not any sort of religion. The common atheist is neighborly, as you say. He doesn't spend any time thinking about it, or worrying about what anyone else does. Such folks are good-hearted friends, co-workers, even family members. Guys like Penn Jillette, with whom it would jolly fun to enjoy a beer or two.

But then there are the few true believers who are the zealots of atheism.... the likes of Dawkins & Hitchens & the folks at the Freedom From Religion Foundation. They proselytize with earnest devotion. They do not tolerate anything or anyone who deviates from their orthodoxy. They bring lawsuits against peaceful townsfolk who like Christmas decorations in the park.

Unfortunately, my county in Wisconsin has many of these zealous true believers.
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Post by Skip » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:08 pm

Del wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:03 pm
Rusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:56 am
Del wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:27 am
Rusty wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:54 am
Goose55 wrote:
Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:17 am
Too much of religion is about power and control. Even the religion of atheism is plagued by it. Take for instance, the atheist so called "Freedom From Religion Foundation." They have as there "mission" the eradication of any and all religious symbols from government. Why, if it were not for the families of heroes who died in battle, they'd have by now forced the removal of every white cross from every Veteran's Cemetery in the U.S.

"Doom & gloom" can be controlling and manipulative, if such messages are not based on love & compassion.
The FRF think the crosses are 'plus signs'. I explained that. It's secular. Don't tell them otherwise. Some of them are now in fact arguing that all the arithmetic symbols should there. I tend to agree. But why limit it to arithmetic symbols?

And there is no "religion of atheism". Also the "eradication of any and all religious symbols from government" is just the thin edge of the wedge. Do you remember when they forbid smoking in elevators? It's like that.
Of course, there is a "religion of atheism." These differ from simple unbelievers in that they have dogmatic faith in the declaration that "there is no god."

And when they strive to impose their dogma upon us, and insist that we must eradicate all signs of faith from public life, then they are very puritanical religion indeed.
Dogmatic faith? LOL! Seems redundant to qualify it that way. I love your posts, Del.

There is no religion of atheism. Ultimately we don't know whether there is any supernatural anything or god. That's the agnostic part and I suspect that this includes virtually all of humanity. Many of us (agnostics) don't believe in gods, supernatural etc. There isn't enough evidence etc to make belief likely. It looks really unlikely and unworthy of belief. That's the atheist part. It's not a religion. We treat all the gods & dogma this way ie no belief. It's skepticism that is operative. What we see of Christian dogmas aren't convincing and so we dismiss any belief. It's not that it doesn't have value. Perhaps it's a failure of (orthodox) religion? With many I suspect that orthodox religious practice, community etc was not part of their upbringing. They grew up in a secular family. So it's also missing from their worldview.

Most atheists don't care enough about the topic to even engage it and I suspect that it's not knowing and not believing. When that is the state there is almost nothing to talk about. This is probably very much like your disbelief in Greek and Nordic Gods. It's not as if you experience episodes of disbelief about Nordic gods. Your disbelief doesn't qualify as a religion. Your Christian beliefs do qualify as religion, faith, etc. It's harder to explain the evangelizing atheist. So the interest is in those that do believe. You folks are the interesting case.

I think there might be agnostics that do believe and are religious. In fact I treat all of you as evidence of this.
I get it. Honest agnosticism is not any sort of religion. The common atheist is neighborly, as you say. He doesn't spend any time thinking about it, or worrying about what anyone else does. Such folks are good-hearted friends, co-workers, even family members. Guys like Penn Jillette, with whom it would jolly fun to enjoy a beer or two.

But then there are the few true believers who are the zealots of atheism.... the likes of Dawkins & Hitchens & the folks at the Freedom From Religion Foundation. They proselytize with earnest devotion. They do not tolerate anything or anyone who deviates from their orthodoxy. They bring lawsuits against peaceful townsfolk who like Christmas decorations in the park.

Unfortunately, my county in Wisconsin has many of these zealous true believers.
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Post by wosbald » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:48 pm

+JMJ+
Rusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:56 am
… There is no religion of atheism. Ultimately we don't know whether there is any supernatural anything or god. That's the agnostic part and I suspect that this includes virtually all of humanity. Many of us (agnostics) don't believe in gods, supernatural etc. There isn't enough evidence etc to make belief likely. It looks really unlikely and unworthy of belief. That's the atheist part. It's not a religion. We treat all the gods & dogma this way ie no belief. It's skepticism that is operative. …
Here's a book you might find interesting: Why the World Does Not Exist. It's quite sophisticated philosophically, but written to the non-specialist. Gabriel has the enviable talent of making serious philosophy accessible to the general public — topical without being patronizing or superficial.

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Post by hugodrax » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:20 pm

wosbald wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:48 pm
+JMJ+
Rusty wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:56 am
… There is no religion of atheism. Ultimately we don't know whether there is any supernatural anything or god. That's the agnostic part and I suspect that this includes virtually all of humanity. Many of us (agnostics) don't believe in gods, supernatural etc. There isn't enough evidence etc to make belief likely. It looks really unlikely and unworthy of belief. That's the atheist part. It's not a religion. We treat all the gods & dogma this way ie no belief. It's skepticism that is operative. …
Here's a book you might find interesting: Why the World Does Not Exist. It's quite sophisticated philosophically, but written to the non-specialist. Gabriel has the enviable talent of making serious philosophy accessible to the general public — topical without being patronizing or superficial.

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Post by coco » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:24 am

This just in: Donald Trump, several Roman Catholics wearing baby poop green sports jackets, and Wosbald have all been raptured. The rest of us are still here. Experts are saying it was a "soft rapture," with the big one soon to come.
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