Reformation at 500

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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by tuttle » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:10 am

I'm digging the back and forth. Rusty is nailing it.
Del wrote: Luther wasn't remembered for having great political courage.
He kinda was...that time he stood before the Holy Roman Emperor at an imperial assembly and told them "here I stand, I can do no other"...there's a book about it.

And this is gold. It's got a Chestertonian zip to it:
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by wosbald » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:52 am

+JMJ+

What's controversial here?

Even though the Church is never reduced to the political, She, obviously, must be political, in a sense. She always exists in the real and visible world, smack dab betwixt the Already and the Not-Yet. She is the living Analogia Entis.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have so many non-Catholics complaining about the Church's politics, and that complaint, in every generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrD7m6sDxo




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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Del » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:41 pm

wosbald wrote:
Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:52 am
+JMJ+

What's controversial here?

Even though the Church is never reduced to the political, She, obviously, must be political, in a sense. She always exists in the real and visible world, smack dab betwixt the Already and the Not-Yet. She is the living Analogia Entis.

Otherwise, we wouldn't have so many non-Catholics complaining about the Church's politics, and that complaint, in every generation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jrD7m6sDxo
The unspoken premise behind the controversy is that the commentator believes that religion belongs in its little box, and politics and government have domain over everything else.

The Church has always called Christians to behave with justice and charity in all of our dealings and commerce with each other.

When the Church condemned slavery, and it was called "meddling in politics and our sovereign affairs."

Now Francis is pointing out again what we already know -- rapacious capitalism abuses workers and ignores all of its detrimental affects on the culture and the environment. Its just the monomania of our times that any cry of injustice is now "politics."
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