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Reformation at 500

Post by tuttle » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:17 am

So the 500th anniversary of the Reformation will take place next year (October 2017) but much has already been said/written/etc leading up to it. I assume only more will be written and said now that it's only a year away. I figure we can use this thread for those kinds of discussion.

To begin, I came across this piece today, written from the point of view of a Reformed believer who writes often about Christian worship in that tradition. He's responding to a question but gives a rather lengthy and well thought out answer, providing a very nice plan for the following year as we approach the commemoration of the Reformation

Commemorating the Reformation for the 500th Time

Though he's writing to a reformed believer in a protestant magazine, I think this would be a good read for Catholics contemplating this event as well. I'd be interested to hear a Catholic take on it.
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Re: Reformation at 500

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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by durangopipe » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:32 am

tuttle wrote:So the 500th anniversary of the Reformation will take place next year (October 2017) but much has already been said/written/etc leading up to it. I assume only more will be written and said now that it's only a year away. I figure we can use this thread for those kinds of discussion.

To begin, I came across this piece today, written from the point of view of a Reformed believer who writes often about Christian worship in that tradition. He's responding to a question but gives a rather lengthy and well thought out answer, providing a very nice plan for the following year as we approach the commemoration of the Reformation

Commemorating the Reformation for the 500th Time

Though he's writing to a reformed believer in a protestant magazine, I think this would be a good read for Catholics contemplating this event as well. I'd be interested to hear a Catholic take on it.

This is a very thoughtful piece, Tuttle. Thanks for posting it.

There is a lovely "emblem" of the thread of meaning woven throughout the piece (the essential unity of the Body of Christ, a celebration of shared joys and a lamentation of past conflicts) contained in the life of one of the scholars mentioned several times:

Church historian, Mark Noll, was first a student and for 27 years a professor at Evangelical bastion,Wheaton College. For a little over a decade he has been a professor at Notre Dame.

In both institutions he has been both celebrated and castigated for his lifelong devotion to the belief that the divisions we see in the churches are not representative of the heart of The Church, which is unified in Jesus. He has lived for years on that "Protestant-Catholic" boundary so often mentioned in the linked article and, I believe, prayed fervently (like many others I have known) most of his life for that boundary to become less and less of an impediment to both empathy and unity.

The quality that most drew me to this forum was the diversity of Christian (and even agnostic) views represented here. I truly believe the sort of dialogue wished for by the author was present here long before the opportunity presented by the upcoming commemorative year and will continue long after.
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Re: Reformation at 500

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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Rusty » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:10 pm

"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.

Ok who among you will nail the 95 theses to the local Catholic church door?
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Oh, and are the Catholics planning to canonize Luther? That would be a real sign of rapprochement.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by infidel » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:38 pm

Del and/or wos will be along shortly to explain (again) the little issue of Petrine Primacy, and how not even the big-O Orthodox are truly in communion with the One True ChurchTM. All you reformationists are just prodigal children. Sure they'll welcome you back with open arms and have a celebration, but you're going to have to clean off the pig muck first :D
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Rusty » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:49 pm

infidel wrote:Del and/or wos will be along shortly to explain (again) the little issue of Petrine Primacy, and how not even the big-O Orthodox are truly in communion with the One True ChurchTM. All you reformationists are just prodigal children. Sure they'll welcome you back with open arms and have a celebration, but you're going to have to clean off the pig muck first :D
One True ChurchTM? OTC. The FDA have it in for OTC. I guess they're Protestant.

Maybe we should have a poll?
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Thunktank » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:56 pm

Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Thunktank » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:01 pm

Rusty wrote:
infidel wrote:Del and/or wos will be along shortly to explain (again) the little issue of Petrine Primacy, and how not even the big-O Orthodox are truly in communion with the One True ChurchTM. All you reformationists are just prodigal children. Sure they'll welcome you back with open arms and have a celebration, but you're going to have to clean off the pig muck first :D
One True ChurchTM? OTC. The FDA have it in for OTC. I guess they're Protestant.

Maybe we should have a poll?
Actually it's been very peaceful between Christians here in the last couple of years for whatever reason. They hardly ever mention such things anymore.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by infidel » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:26 pm

Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:
infidel wrote:Del and/or wos will be along shortly to explain (again) the little issue of Petrine Primacy, and how not even the big-O Orthodox are truly in communion with the One True ChurchTM. All you reformationists are just prodigal children. Sure they'll welcome you back with open arms and have a celebration, but you're going to have to clean off the pig muck first :D
One True ChurchTM? OTC. The FDA have it in for OTC. I guess they're Protestant.

Maybe we should have a poll?
Actually it's been very peaceful between Christians here in the last couple of years for whatever reason. They hardly ever mention such things anymore.
No kidding? Maybe there IS hope :grouphug:
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Rusty » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:54 pm

Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by A_Morley » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:58 pm

Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Thunktank » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:32 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by A_Morley » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:40 pm

Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
I, for one, feel persecuted (read: annoyed) by you and by Del on account of the fact that you are both two sides of the same incessantly yammering coin.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Thunktank » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:52 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
I, for one, feel persecuted (read: annoyed) by you and by Del on account of the fact that you are both two sides of the same incessantly yammering coin.
I could make an attempt at your style of opprobrium instead.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Rooster » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:00 pm

Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
I, for one, feel persecuted (read: annoyed) by you and by Del on account of the fact that you are both two sides of the same incessantly yammering coin.
I could make an attempt at your style of opprobrium instead.
Here's to yammering!

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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by A_Morley » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:12 pm

Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
I, for one, feel persecuted (read: annoyed) by you and by Del on account of the fact that you are both two sides of the same incessantly yammering coin.
I could make an attempt at your style of opprobrium instead.
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Re: Reformation at 500

Post by Thunktank » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:19 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
A_Morley wrote:
Rusty wrote:
Thunktank wrote:
Rusty wrote:"And the pope has already announced his intent to mark the occasion by worshiping not in Rome but in a Lutheran church in Sweden."

Sweden? Is Wittenberg Germany still somewhat hostile to Popes or is he attracted to irreligion? The Swedes are waaay past Lutheran.
The godless Swede had some very interesting words about religion in Sweden. Perhaps I live in the wrong country?
It's your latitude that is the problem. Go north and you will find shades of nature worship and all sorts of folklore creatures. It's in the Celtic nations too.
Yes. You could also try shutting your goddamn yap and stop your histrionic delusions of persecution for once in your damn life.
What do you mean? Are you saying that I'm not persecuting Del yet?
I, for one, feel persecuted (read: annoyed) by you and by Del on account of the fact that you are both two sides of the same incessantly yammering coin.
I could make an attempt at your style of opprobrium instead.
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