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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm

Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm

Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm

Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
Praying - coco
Sometimes memes can be helpful as well as humorous - Jocose
Yer mom is kindhearted and well respected in her community - JMG

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm


Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am

I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
Why did Saul do that?
Praying - coco
Sometimes memes can be helpful as well as humorous - Jocose
Yer mom is kindhearted and well respected in her community - JMG

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm


You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
Why did Saul do that?
He wanted the spoils of war.
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:35 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm

Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
Why did Saul do that?
He wanted the spoils of war.
Why?
Praying - coco
Sometimes memes can be helpful as well as humorous - Jocose
Yer mom is kindhearted and well respected in her community - JMG

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:37 pm

John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:35 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
Why did Saul do that?
He wanted the spoils of war.
Why?
Greed?
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:40 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:37 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:35 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:29 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:27 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:23 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm

That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
Lots are online, bro.
I was wrong. He was rejected for not fulfilling the Lord's commandments to anhilate the Amalekites and all of their livestock.
Why did Saul do that?
He wanted the spoils of war.
Why?
Greed?
Maybe.
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Re: Conscience

Post by FredS » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:14 pm

Perhaps Saul didn't trust God?
Perhaps Saul thought he knew better than God?
Perhaps Saul thought God didn't really care if he did as instructed?
Perhaps Saul thought he'd better store up some riches - just in case things went south?

Perhaps we have done some or all those same things. Perhaps we have a way to reconcile ourselves to God that was not made available to Saul?
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Re: Conscience

Post by jruegg » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:48 pm

FredS wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:14 pm
Perhaps Saul didn't trust God?
Perhaps Saul thought he knew better than God?
Perhaps Saul thought God didn't really care if he did as instructed?
Perhaps Saul thought he'd better store up some riches - just in case things went south?

Perhaps we have done some or all those same things. Perhaps we have a way to reconcile ourselves to God that was not made available to Saul?
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Re: Conscience

Post by TNLawPiper » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:19 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:22 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:19 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:17 pm
John-Boy wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:04 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:57 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm
Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm

Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?
Mainly those who live after the flesh. He was prepared to reject and anihilate Israel for their stiff-neckedness (that sounded a lot better in my head, but say it aloud). Saul was rejected for trying to fill the role of the priest and prophet Samuel.
You think?
That's the way I've always interpreted it.
What do your commentaries say?
I'm too broke for commentaries. lol
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