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Conscience

Post by Fainn » Sun Jun 18, 2017 2:03 am

I think in my anger, my conscience has been hardened beyond repair. Looks like I'm destined for hell.
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Re: Conscience

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Re: Conscience

Post by gaining_age » Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:34 pm

Good book-- really good prayers in the back.

https://www.amazon.com/Get-Out-That-Pit ... 8&qid=&sr=

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Re: Conscience

Post by FredS » Sun Jun 18, 2017 1:00 pm

Fainn wrote:
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I think in my anger, my conscience has been hardened beyond repair.
It's repairable. If you can't see the way to fix it then go to someone who can help.
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Re: Conscience

Post by TNLawPiper » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:09 pm

Scripture does not validate your fear. Look to it.

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Re: Conscience

Post by DepartedLight » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:32 pm

gaining_age wrote:
Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:34 pm
Good book-- really good prayers in the back.

https://www.amazon.com/Get-Out-That-Pit ... 8&qid=&sr=

An excerpt:

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Re: Conscience

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:11 pm

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Have been. They can't help either.
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Re: Conscience

Post by sweetandsour » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:30 am

The way I see it, you have a choice to make. The choice is yours, so make it a good one.

And also do what TNlawpiper suggested.
As thus we sat in darkness
Each one busy with his prayers,
"We are lost!" the captain shouted,
As he staggered down the stairs.

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:34 am

Not sure I can make anymore good choices. Its hard when thing never change and you never have hope that things will get better.
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Re: Conscience

Post by Joshoowah » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:06 am

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Re: Conscience

Post by Thunktank » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:24 am

Fainn, I have struggled with some severe depression for years. I still must be careful and aware enough to avoid it. Even right now, I'm having to check myself again lately, before things get out of control. "They" can't help you unless you also help you. I'm not a psychologist, but I am a veteran of depression. Please hear me. You MUST stop talking and thinking like you have been. Please. You will not overcome this if you continue to tell yourself these things, OK?

A large component of depression is fundamentally irrational thinking about certain things. One must guard their mind against those thoughts and not give them ANY entertainment. The moment they enter your mind, you must dismiss them and think and speak rightly about them instead.

This thread is in the theology section. Some of my own depression has been due to my religious perspective and experiences. I have at different points in my life, been able in various ways, to find a degree of comfort in good faith and/or in the natural goodness of creation to help me overcome the darkness of depression. But like you, I have often fought certain perceptions I have had about God, namely, is God good? I was wounded early on by people who should have been trustworthy, but weren't, this carries over into my perceptions about God. The second is the gift of faith, faith is hard if the goodness of God is doubted. I have even found comfort in atheism, because it allowed me to do away with a destructive and faulty belief about God's goodness and faith which was personally destructive to me at times. But having also experienced faith and God's goodness too, I may have to admit that perhaps such a "solution" isn't true and therefore also potentially self destructive because an impasse is created between my true values and a system of beliefs that are lacking certain important pillars in my life. So what I'm saying is, perhaps those of us here who are fighting our demons, need to start with the twin pillars of God's goodness and his worthiness to place our faith in Him. The former starts with rational thinking, the latter can take us beyond our own understanding and provide us peace and joy. Think about it. I am.

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Re: Conscience

Post by infidel » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm

There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm

infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
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Re: Conscience

Post by infidel » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:26 am

Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
There are many different medications and dosages. It can work, if the right match is found.
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Re: Conscience

Post by FredS » Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm

Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
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Re: Conscience

Post by Thunktank » Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm

FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.

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Re: Conscience

Post by Fainn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am

Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
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Re: Conscience

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:50 am

Psalm 34 Of David. When he pretended to be insane before Abimelek, who drove him away, and he left. wrote:1 I will extol the Lord at all times;
his praise will always be on my lips.
2 I will glory in the Lord;
let the afflicted hear and rejoice.
3 Glorify the Lord with me;
let us exalt his name together.
I know I've mentioned it before, but his is one of my go to passages when hitting tough times. Like that time I was losing my job and then almost died a couple times. Turns out this psalm that says stuff like "Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him." was penned by David at a particularly low point. And it turns out that psalm is an acrostic. Each verse starts with a letter of the Hebrew alphabet (so they tell me, you can verify and let me know if that's true.) Anyway, to me, that says that David was making a choice in the midst of some difficult times to praise God and seek him. He probably didn't feel like, but he made an intentional decision to do something like "well, I'm just going to go through the alphabet and write something down about God's love..." At least that's how I imagine it.

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Re: Conscience

Post by Thunktank » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:26 pm

Fainn wrote:
Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:07 am
Thunktank wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 1:51 pm
Fainn wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm
infidel wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:39 pm
There is no shame in medicating depression with a doctor's supervision.
Been on medication for over a year. It doesn't work.
Do you want it to work?

You ready to change something to make it work?
Depending on the severity of his depression, he may not. Being depressed doesn't always equal "want" for something better. The "want" may need development first and that isn't an easy task under those circumstances. Medication should help coupled with thearapy. In my opinion, it takes more than one kind of help to overcome severe depression. I have done it successfully for myself and can only share my experience in hopes to be of help.
I feel like only G-d can help me, but I think he's rejected me.
You may feel that way. But is it true? Why does God reject people?

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