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Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by A_Morley » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:25 am

To my knowledge, Gawith and Hoggarth are among the few manufacturers to still produce twists and ropes. Oh, yes, I think that Samuel Gawith does as well. In fact, I know that they do. Nevertheless. Which, among these ropes and twists, do you think are the best? Which need to be avoided?

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Re: Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by sweetandsour » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:09 pm

All I know is to avoid Cottonboll Twist.

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Post by UncleBob » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:36 pm

I enjoy the Sweet Coconut Twist from time to time. I usually keep a few ounces on hand.
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Post by GaryInVA » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:18 pm

The only rope I've smoked was SG Black XX. After half a small bowl I had to lay down for a while. Great taste but powerful stuff.
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Post by hugodrax » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:02 pm

I like (that might be too strong a word) the black cherry and coconut twists. The rest are more bitter than I am.
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Re: Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by Skip » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:05 pm

hugodrax wrote:
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I like (that might be too strong a word) the black cherry and coconut twists. The rest are more bitter than I am.
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Post by JudgeRusty » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:09 pm

I am much interested in the topic.

Brown Rope #4 is the only one I have sampled. I smoked through 2 ounces of it. Thick smoke. I found the flavor straightforward (I apologize, I am trying to think of a less negative description than "bland"). I could not taste any sweetness from the Virginia. The description on TR says there is cigar leaf and Kentucky in the blend; that probably explains the lack of high and low notes I was looking for.
It did not have any hint of a topping or flavoring.
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Post by hugodrax » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:09 pm

Skip wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:05 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:02 pm
I like (that might be too strong a word) the black cherry and coconut twists. The rest are more bitter than I am.
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Post by DepartedLight » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:36 pm

I have barely a coin or two on a couple ropes.

A box pass focusing on ropes might be interesting. I'd have to pass for I have nothing to add or trade. But you rope guys, think about it.

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Re: Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by Rusty » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:28 am

JudgeRusty wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:09 pm
I am much interested in the topic.

Brown Rope #4 is the only one I have sampled. I smoked through 2 ounces of it. Thick smoke. I found the flavor straightforward (I apologize, I am trying to think of a less negative description than "bland"). I could not taste any sweetness from the Virginia. The description on TR says there is cigar leaf and Kentucky in the blend; that probably explains the lack of high and low notes I was looking for.
It did not have any hint of a topping or flavoring.
That could be because there is no Virginia in it. None at all. There is no cigar leaf in it either. What is Kentucky?
SG description: "Spun dark-Fired tobaccos in their natural form give No.4 a slow, full flavoured and full strength smoke."

Here's a fairly good one page summary of the tobaccos of the world: http://www.tobacco.yaia.com/types.html
Note that dark-fired is another kind of tobacco. TR is at variance with standard tobacco terminology (ie its blend content descriptions and blend-type are wrong, vague, and/or misleading in many cases).

Skill developing question: Which kind of tobacco is in S Gawith's 1792 flake and what does this have to do with Gawith twist?
Answer here: http://www.gawithhoggarth.co.uk/pipe-to ... cco.p.aspx
Now check TR and see what it says. Terms like "Virginia Based" and Kentucky, are misleading or vague. The TR content description and blend type for 1792 is wrong. It's very odd because they have included the manufacturer's product description at the top but it's as if that is not understood. Talking about dark leaf appears to be similar to talking about God at an atheist summer camp. It's better to check the manufacturers description and ignore TR for content info. The twists are all dark-fired tobacco as is 1792 Flake.
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Re: Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by JudgeRusty » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:20 am

Rusty wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:28 am
JudgeRusty wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:09 pm
I am much interested in the topic.

Brown Rope #4 is the only one I have sampled. I smoked through 2 ounces of it. Thick smoke. I found the flavor straightforward (I apologize, I am trying to think of a less negative description than "bland"). I could not taste any sweetness from the Virginia. The description on TR says there is cigar leaf and Kentucky in the blend; that probably explains the lack of high and low notes I was looking for.
It did not have any hint of a topping or flavoring.
That could be because there is no Virginia in it. None at all. There is no cigar leaf in it either. What is Kentucky?
SG description: "Spun dark-Fired tobaccos in their natural form give No.4 a slow, full flavoured and full strength smoke."

Here's a fairly good one page summary of the tobaccos of the world: http://www.tobacco.yaia.com/types.html
Note that dark-fired is another kind of tobacco. TR is at variance with standard tobacco terminology (ie its blend content descriptions and blend-type are wrong, vague, and/or misleading in many cases).

Skill developing question: Which kind of tobacco is in S Gawith's 1792 flake and what does this have to do with Gawith twist?
Answer here: http://www.gawithhoggarth.co.uk/pipe-to ... cco.p.aspx
Now check TR and see what it says. Terms like "Virginia Based" and Kentucky, are misleading or vague. The TR content description and blend type for 1792 is wrong. It's very odd because they have included the manufacturer's product description at the top but it's as if that is not understood. Talking about dark leaf appears to be similar to talking about God at an atheist summer camp. It's better to check the manufacturers description and ignore TR for content info. The twists are all dark-fired tobacco as is 1792 Flake.
I suppose the good news response to all that is that my taster is working as intended.
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Re: Gawith & Hoggarth twists, ropes, and the like

Post by Rusty » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:27 pm

JudgeRusty wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:20 am
Rusty wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:28 am
JudgeRusty wrote:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:09 pm
I am much interested in the topic.

Brown Rope #4 is the only one I have sampled. I smoked through 2 ounces of it. Thick smoke. I found the flavor straightforward (I apologize, I am trying to think of a less negative description than "bland"). I could not taste any sweetness from the Virginia. The description on TR says there is cigar leaf and Kentucky in the blend; that probably explains the lack of high and low notes I was looking for.
It did not have any hint of a topping or flavoring.
That could be because there is no Virginia in it. None at all. There is no cigar leaf in it either. What is Kentucky?
SG description: "Spun dark-Fired tobaccos in their natural form give No.4 a slow, full flavoured and full strength smoke."

Here's a fairly good one page summary of the tobaccos of the world: http://www.tobacco.yaia.com/types.html
Note that dark-fired is another kind of tobacco. TR is at variance with standard tobacco terminology (ie its blend content descriptions and blend-type are wrong, vague, and/or misleading in many cases).

Skill developing question: Which kind of tobacco is in S Gawith's 1792 flake and what does this have to do with Gawith twist?
Answer here: http://www.gawithhoggarth.co.uk/pipe-to ... cco.p.aspx
Now check TR and see what it says. Terms like "Virginia Based" and Kentucky, are misleading or vague. The TR content description and blend type for 1792 is wrong. It's very odd because they have included the manufacturer's product description at the top but it's as if that is not understood. Talking about dark leaf appears to be similar to talking about God at an atheist summer camp. It's better to check the manufacturers description and ignore TR for content info. The twists are all dark-fired tobacco as is 1792 Flake.
I suppose the good news response to all that is that my taster is working as intended.
Yep that's true. But there is also more out there than you were perhaps aware of. That's always a nice discovery. There may also be other ways of serving it up that interest you more. I always found this one a little brutal and there are others that are more appealing. Some of the flavoured ones are interesting. Also this is a pertinent example of weirdness on TR. TR is great for reviewer impressions but can be really misleading for tobacco information. Many of the reviewers think that it's Virginia tobacco too. It's crazy and it propagates the misunderstanding.
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Post by A_Morley » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:58 pm

I once had one of those guillotine-like choppers that was specifically intended for cutting rope and plug tobacco. It was over a century old.

What ever happened to that thing? Not the sort of thing I would think was easy to misplace.
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Post by FredS » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:10 pm

UncleBob wrote:
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I enjoy the Sweet Coconut Twist from time to time. I usually keep a few ounces on hand.
I too enjoy GH Sweet Coconut Twist. I had a good stock laid up and my 2016 years secret santa sent me a good bit more. I don't get a sweet coconut taste, but I enjoy the tobaccos on it's own merits. I have not tried any other ropes. My wife finds the sight of a jar full of this rope off putting but I confess that I feel a little like a pirate each time I cut a few slices.
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Post by UncleBob » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:20 pm

A_Morley wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:58 pm
I once had one of those guillotine-like choppers that was specifically intended for cutting rope and plug tobacco. It was over a century old.

What ever happened to that thing? Not the sort of thing I would think was easy to misplace.
I always look for those when I am junking--no luck yet. I use a cigar cutter to cut into medallions.
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Post by JudgeRusty » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:19 pm

So no one has experience and reviews to enlighten us about Brown Irish X, Rum Twist, Sweet Whiskey, Black XX, Happy Bogie or Sweet Maple Twist?
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Post by mountainman » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:48 pm

I had a sample of rum twist once a few years ago. I remember liking it, good flavor and just a mild hint of rum if I recall correctly.
I do have some Brown #4 for trade, still have most of the tin, I just did not like it.
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Post by JudgeRusty » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:39 pm

Maple Twist is one of the ones that the description has tempted me to purchase. Any of you have experience with that one?
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Post by KYBURLEY » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:29 pm

I love the Happy Brown Bogie. Especially in a cob or clay pipe. The black twists aren't my cup of tea right now. Someone on tobacco reviews described it as " tasting like a coal miner's armpit," and I thought that was apt haha. It's just the cooking process that makes it really oily and greasy tasting. The brown ones are terrific though.

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Post by KYBURLEY » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:31 pm

Oh, and they don't have that much nicotine either, that is a myth. The C& D Burley blends are stronger in nicotine, so if you can handle those you will be fine.

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