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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by Del » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:55 pm

I just found 16 oz of 5100 in my cellar (from IPSD 2017).
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by JimVH » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:42 pm

I think I am really going to miss McClelland's 2000. Maybe I should have hoarded just a little bit.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by Goose55 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:58 pm

Not a tin of McCl Aurora to be found anywhere. I believe our August Burns Red got the last of it from Chicago's Iwan Ries
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by JohnnyMcPiperson » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:37 am

Dang, how did I miss this till now, I guess just smoking off the cellar for the last few years has allowed me not to notice... I do love Tudor castle, sure gives me new appreciation for my McClelland tins...


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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by Goose55 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:15 pm

Keith Toney, Customer Service Representative at Smoking Pipes remarked that the affected McCl Virginias and VaPers are discontinued but that's the only official word they've had from them. I asked if discontinued meant permanent and he said "yes." :-(
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by coco » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:04 pm

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Keith Toney, Customer Service Representative at Smoking Pipes remarked that the affected McCl Virginias and VaPers are discontinued but that's the only official word they've had from them. I asked if discontinued meant permanent and he said "yes." :-(
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by Goose55 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:53 pm

Here's some words today from a noteworthy person in the professional pipe world:

"They [McClelland] are not making tobacco anymore. I expect an official announcement in a month or two." 8-O 8-O 8-O

It's so hard to believe because tobacco is grown around the world and certainly there must be some place on God's green earth that can grow the type and variety of red Virginia that is a vital component of their blends. Doesn't that seem reasonable?

Albeit, I went on a deeper search today and did find two lost and lonely 50 g tins of my beloved McClelland (Red Virginia) Aurora at a pipe & tobacco shop in Sacramento, CA called Briar Patch. Two tins. As though that will make a big difference.

I also got 11 tins of McClelland Ashton Blend PEBBLECUT from Iwan Ries, which also has that special selected red mottled leaf from Carolina. I have smoked Pebblecut before and it is very good.

Not sure how much more of it Iwan Ries has, but just a heads up to those that may want some of that, before it is all gone.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by John-Boy » Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:37 pm

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"They [McClelland] are not making tobacco anymore. I expect an official announcement in a month or two."
That's kinda like yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by FredS » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:57 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:53 pm
Here's some words today from a noteworthy person in the professional pipe world:

"They [McClelland] are not making tobacco anymore. I expect an official announcement in a month or two." 8-O 8-O 8-O

It's so hard to believe because tobacco is grown around the world and certainly there must be some place on God's green earth that can grow the type and variety of red Virginia that is a vital component of their blends. Doesn't that seem reasonable? . . .
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I have a bad feeling that they will not survive this turn of events. Think about it. What company could survive loss of, what, 75% of their product with no foreseeable return of that product? The monthly bills are not going to stop coming in until they get their Va's back.
They'll be fine. They'll just have to lay some folk off. They have too great a name, product,and reputation.
There's the psychopathic thought process of the international businessman in a nutshell. Just a bunch of people on the dole, right?
Its just the way things go. Unemployment insurance is paid into by both the employer and employee for situations just like this. Psychopathy in the workplace is an entirely different and evil thing, playing with people & intentionally destroying people's careers and derailing their lives.
True enough, but man, I feel for that company. It seems like a labor of love from the top down. I know you do, too.

It's a real loss for the smokers, too. Hope it's but tempr
McClelland is a very small company. Fewer than 10 employees I think. As a small company, I don't expect they're setting on a lot of cash. I've met some of their people (they're a Kansas City based company) and, like Wayne, I worry for them. I'm going to order up some of my favorite areos from them because I don't expect they'll make it.
All of your "They'll be fine" talk makes me wonder if you understand how these markets work. Pipe tobacco is basically a boutique market to begin with. That means small companies selling to small markets. It's almost a personal relationship between producer and consumer. Not quite, but almost. When you subtract McClellands VA tobacco you chop of a good portion of their sales. Say 40%? How many small companies can survive for one year without 40% of their revenue? I don't think they'll survive long enough to find alternative growers or even to wait until their regular growers bring in a new crop next year. Just because they're a 'corporation' doesn't mean they're fat and happy with huge cash reserves. Most corporations in the US are small (as in one person small) and are only a few bad weeks or months away from folding. Entrepreneurship has always been a precarious field. There's no safety net for the little guys.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by hugodrax » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:03 pm

I still don’t for a minute buy that there isn’t any red Virginia available.

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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by sweetandsour » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:34 pm

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I still don’t for a minute buy that there isn’t any red Virginia available.

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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by Goose55 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm

McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by hugodrax » Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:15 pm

Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm
McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
Well, that clearly shed a lot of light on the situation.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

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Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm
McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
Am I missing something? I didn't catch any foreshadowing of the 2017/2018 shortages.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by hugodrax » Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:46 am

JudgeRusty wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:53 am
Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm
McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
Am I missing something? I didn't catch any foreshadowing of the 2017/2018 shortages.
Yeah, me either.

If his red Virginia requires a two year sweat, he was out then.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by sweetandsour » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:25 am

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:15 pm
Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm
McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
Well, that clearly shed a lot of light on the situation.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by sweetandsour » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:27 am

Tell you what, and you can and may hold me to it. When all of the McC tobacco's are gone from all markets and exist no more I'll quit smoking and pack up my pipes.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by hugodrax » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:33 am

sweetandsour wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:27 am
Tell you what, and you can and may hold me to it. When all of the McC tobacco's are gone from all markets and exist no more I'll quit smoking and pack up my pipes.
Yeah? Seems silly. You give up something you love every time a supplier commits business hari Kari?
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by sweetandsour » Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:57 am

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:33 am
sweetandsour wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:27 am
Tell you what, and you can and may hold me to it. When all of the McC tobacco's are gone from all markets and exist no more I'll quit smoking and pack up my pipes.
Yeah? Seems silly. You give up something you love every time a supplier commits business hari Kari?
It's more than that, although it seems that way. But I've placed McC as my watermark.
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Re: McClelland Crop Problems

Post by coco » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:44 am

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:46 am
JudgeRusty wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:53 am
Goose55 wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:54 pm
McClelland's Mary & Mike McNeil cool interview at the 2016 Chicago Pipe Show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcmKBbaTWb4
Am I missing something? I didn't catch any foreshadowing of the 2017/2018 shortages.
Yeah, me either.

If his red Virginia requires a two year sweat, he was out then.
I guess this quote could either be viewed either as sage advice or ominous foreshadowing: "Tobaccos aren't going to be cheaper than they are now. If you love something, go get it, because who knows that the future is."
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