In Praise of Vinyl Records

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Post by Jocose » Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:42 am

+14.7

Vinyl has a better sound.

I miss actually going to the 'record' store.
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Post by Preacherman » Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:24 pm

Jocose wrote:+14.7

Vinyl has a better sound.

I miss actually going to the 'record' store.
+ (the other) 0.3 = 15.0... :lol:

Records were cool and all the rage when I was but a wee lad - I remember recording them from record to 8-track - ah yes!!!
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Post by coco » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:07 am

It's easy to feel nostalgic about vinyl, but nobody misses 8 tracks
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Post by Preacherman » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:13 am

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW... :(

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Re: In Praise of Vinyl Records

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Post by philofumo » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 pm

plainview wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 pm
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:!:
:lol:

Expense & inconvenience!

Much like pipesmoking, no?

Great cartoon from a great cartoonist.

I used to be more supportive of The New Yorker but nowadays can't quite stomach what they're writing in most cases --- but I am highly appreciative of them keeping good cartoonists employed by publishing such work.

:P whadda great thread bump!
makes me wanna dig out my records

i have a pretty good collection. i was most active in the late 80's thru early 2000

i especially love oddball 7" and obscure novelty 45 records

it's all so easy nowadays --- pushbutton on command & if you like this then you'll like this autosuggestions, but back in the day it was quite different, like at the recordshop jocose spoke, diggin' crates & findin' gems, it was much fun discovering new stuff or uncovering obscurities, i was a mixtape maniac so i accumulated alotta weirdo stuff to put between songs, or even add extended monologues like with Earl Nightingale, complete with finger drags to alter his voice with wobbly and also a hiphop scratch style too...



i have a 45rpm version of that, with dialogue split between sides

one of the oddest 7" i got is japanoise and my fave track is from the legendary Hanatarash,
it is maximum blast!
:!:



one of my fave novelty 45's is from Nervous Norvus,
gotta beatnik shindig vibe
8)


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Re: In Praise of Vinyl Records

Post by plainview » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:51 pm

philofumo wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 pm
plainview wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:43 pm
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:!:
:lol:

Expense & inconvenience!

Much like pipesmoking, no?

Great cartoon from a great cartoonist.

I used to be more supportive of The New Yorker but nowadays can't quite stomach what they're writing in most cases --- but I am highly appreciative of them keeping good cartoonists employed by publishing such work.

:P whadda great thread bump!
makes me wanna dig out my records

i have a pretty good collection. i was most active in the late 80's thru early 2000

i especially love oddball 7" and obscure novelty 45 records

it's all so easy nowadays --- pushbutton on command & if you like this then you'll like this autosuggestions, but back in the day it was quite different, like at the recordshop jocose spoke, diggin' crates & findin' gems, it was much fun discovering new stuff or uncovering obscurities, i was a mixtape maniac so i accumulated alotta weirdo stuff to put between songs, or even add extended monologues like with Earl Nightingale, complete with finger drags to alter his voice with wobbly and also a hiphop scratch style too...



i have a 45rpm version of that, with dialogue split between sides

one of the oddest 7" i got is japanoise and my fave track is from the legendary Hanatarash,
it is maximum blast!
:!:



one of my fave novelty 45's is from Nervous Norvus,
gotta beatnik shindig vibe
8)

And how, the novelty 45s bring back some memories!


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Re: In Praise of Vinyl Records

Post by philofumo » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:15 am

:lol:
LOL

That's good!

I may have heard portions of it on the radio as it sorta rings a bell,
did it ever get radio airtime?

I looked it up and was surprised to see:

The single peaked at #4 on the Billboard Hot 100 in October 1975.
On the Cash Box Top 100 it fared even better, reaching #1.


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(with apologies for nonwax offtopic)

Back on topic,
another fun thing about vinyl records are those little messages in the run-out grooves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_nu ... n_messages

Like for example sticking with the original posters fondness for straightXedge,
here's what the Minor Threat record says in the runout field:

A>- DOWN AND OUT, UP AND OVER...
B>- ...OVER AND OVER, OVER AND OUT

You don't even have to buy the record anymore to know what it may say because there's so much info online nowadays, there are many many threads at discogs forum on the subject.

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Re: In Praise of Vinyl Records

Post by Goose55 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:24 am

philofumo wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 pm
You need to post this in the Friday Listening thread
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Re: In Praise of Vinyl Records

Post by philofumo » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:00 am

Goose55 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:24 am

You need to post this in the Friday Listening thread
:wavey: Hey Goose...

...I'll go post his #1 hit over there.

But while I'm here, might as well bring up another groovy aspect of wax trax, and in particular why 45rpm records may often sound much better than the same song on a 33.3 longplayer.

I once got into a good discussion on this topic with a very knowledgeable recordshop clerk and he told me that 45's have the recording levels pushed into the red because most consumers of 45's played them on cheap recordplayers, often the portable kind, as well as jukeboxes too, so the labels tended to press them "hot" so they sounded decent on those sorta turntables.

The record that initially made me ask him the question was that I got a Donovan 45 and it was so loud it would nearly blow my speakers out --- very different from the same song from the same vintage year 12" 33.3 platter. I was amazed and astonished at how loud that thing was...

...not to mention,
it's also a great track!
:dance:


Just now did a brief search and best result for more in-depth explanation,
was this:
Kevin Gray wrote:

Why 45, you ask?

Because it sounds better! In record mastering, the higher the recorded level and frequency, the greater the groove curvature. Curvature isn’t usually a problem, per se, on the outside of a 12” 33 1/3 record, but as the groove moves toward the center, its relative speed slows down and curvature increases.

Yes, it is still turning at 33 1/3 revolutions per minute, but consider: one revolution takes 1.8 seconds. That 1.8 seconds at a 12” diameter is covering a lot more territory than at the minimum 4.75” diameter.

The result is actually a loss in high frequencies, and increase in distortion as the groove moves to the center. The problems start when the curvature of the groove equals or exceeds the diameter of the playback stylus.

What can be done about it?

Many things have been tried, but there is no “magic bullet”. Keep the recorded volume to a reasonable level (read: On scale on the meters) is the first thing. Play the record back with an elliptical or line-contact stylus that has a smaller tip radius. And, if possible, make the record short enough to keep the music away from the very end of the disk. This isn’t always possible, of course.

BUT, if we spin the disk at 45rpm we now have a 35% increase in groove velocity at any point on the disk. This is a huge advantage!

Yes, the groove still slows down as it moves inward, but the effects are greatly reduced. The only problem is that the amount of recorded time is now also reduced by 35%. What do you do about that? (Hint: split up the LP into 4 sides on 2 records.)

Now you’re cookin’ doc!

Yep, twice the mastering cost, plating cost, pressing cost, label and jacket costs. It’s enough to make the bean-counters break down and cry. But the sound! Oooooh, yeah! This isn’t sales hype, it’s physics. Listen for yourself. You tell me if it’s worth it. A lot of music lovers think so…and they are right!

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Post by Jocose » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:16 pm

Cool thread.

I've a stash of 45's I need to dig out.
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Post by coco » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:52 pm

Jocose wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:16 pm
Cool thread.

I've a stash of 45's I need to dig out.
Like this one?
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Post by Jocose » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:53 pm

coco wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:52 pm
Jocose wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:16 pm
Cool thread.

I've a stash of 45's I need to dig out.
Like this one?
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Turn it off, please.
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