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I really know how to party.

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Bloodhound wrote:
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That's a good time there...Party-On friend
The movie is better.
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durangopipe wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:54 am
Bloodhound wrote:
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JimVH wrote:
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Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis

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Re: What book are you reading?

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Hey Fred:

Book came out in 2006, but somehow I missed it ...

I saw that Rick Bass was a contributor.
Would you mind listing some of the others?

Thanks.
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Re: What book are you reading?

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Written before, The Singular Universe and the Realty of Time (which I read a while back). This one provides some important context for the second book which I’d read out of order.

I’ve got some extra time to catch up on this, one of my secondary academic interests - redeeming the time, as it were.

:pipe3:
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I tend to find the doctrinal books often more helpful in devotion than the devotional books.... I believe that many who find that "nothing happens" when they sit down, or kneel down, to a book of devotion, would find that the heart sings unbidden while they are working their way through a rough bit of theology with a pipe in their teeth and a pencil in their hand.
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Re: What book are you reading?

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durangopipe wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:35 am
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Written before, The Singular Universe and the Realty of Time (which I read a while back). This one provides some important context for the second book which I’d read out of order.

I’ve got some extra time to catch up on this, one of my secondary academic interests - redeeming the time, as it were.

:pipe3:
Interesting. Feel free to write a summary when you have opportunity.

The study of physics in the academic realm (pre-research activity) is predominantly a study of history and methods of how to think and approach problems. The classics are mechanics, classical electricity and magnetism, and quantum mechanics as well as a dash of solid state, statistical and thermal physics, optics, nuclear physics, atomic physics, etc. All to prep the student on how to problem solve and approach the problems of current research or opportunities in engineering.

Then you get philosophy-- is our discrete approach to breaking down problems a representative of reality (truly)? This looks like that type of book-- an analysis of the philosophy of physics (consequences of the parts taken to an extreme). Life is always more than the sum of the parts- or at least our view of what the parts are. Yet, those parts have provided so much success in application. Remarkable!
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Re: What book are you reading?

Post by FredS » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:23 am

durangopipe wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:19 am
FredS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am
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Hey Fred:

Book came out in 2006, but somehow I missed it ...

I saw that Rick Bass was a contributor.
Would you mind listing some of the others?

Thanks.
Mr Bass, who's name perhaps predestined him to love and protect water, wrote the forward. Know anyone listed?
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Re: What book are you reading?

Post by durangopipe » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:20 pm

FredS wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:23 am
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:19 am
FredS wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:17 am
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Hey Fred:

Book came out in 2006, but somehow I missed it ...

I saw that Rick Bass was a contributor.
Would you mind listing some of the others?

Thanks.
Mr Bass, who's name perhaps predestined him to love and protect water, wrote the forward. Know anyone listed?
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Thanks for the photos, Fred.

It's a bit strange, but I don't even recognize those authors' names, let alone know any of them, except for Clarissa Pinkola Estés with whom I participated in a program sponsored by the state arts council back in the 80s. That was just before she became a famous wolf woman.

In fact, we were working together at a summer arts program for gifted children the day she got the acceptance letter from a publisher for Women Who Run with the Wolves. I also recall, that was the day she began to think of herself as famous - a not entirely pleasant change of self-perception.

The Front Range fishing authors I do know and have met, all of whom fish the Poudre and some might even call it their home water (Gierach, Best, Engle), are strangely missing from the list?? You'd think that the world of Colorado river writers would be a small one and we'd all know each other.

Apparently not! Or maybe I've just gotten old and this is a new generation of writers I haven't crossed paths with.
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Re: What book are you reading?

Post by FredS » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:41 pm

Many are very local writers, and many are or have been faculty at CSU. Others have worked for the forestry services or the local newspaper or grew up on nearby ranches. Most of those I've read so far have obviously been intimate with the river so I think they have the chops to speak on her behalf, even if I don't agree with what they have to say.

And I understand the problem of *crunchy women (or men, but mostly women) who consider themselves to be more important than they are and are vocal about it.

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Re: What book are you reading?

Post by durangopipe » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:51 pm

gaining_age wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:50 am
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:35 am
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Written before, The Singular Universe and the Realty of Time (which I read a while back). This one provides some important context for the second book which I’d read out of order.

I’ve got some extra time to catch up on this, one of my secondary academic interests - redeeming the time, as it were.

:pipe3:
Interesting. Feel free to write a summary when you have opportunity.

The study of physics in the academic realm (pre-research activity) is predominantly a study of history and methods of how to think and approach problems. The classics are mechanics, classical electricity and magnetism, and quantum mechanics as well as a dash of solid state, statistical and thermal physics, optics, nuclear physics, atomic physics, etc. All to prep the student on how to problem solve and approach the problems of current research or opportunities in engineering.

Then you get philosophy-- is our discrete approach to breaking down problems a representative of reality (truly)? This looks like that type of book-- an analysis of the philosophy of physics (consequences of the parts taken to an extreme). Life is always more than the sum of the parts- or at least our view of what the parts are. Yet, those parts have provided so much success in application. Remarkable!
Preliminary thoughts:

Smolin is a theoretical physicist who works at the Perimeter Institute in Canada. He was once one of the leading researchers in the field of String Theory. A couple of years ago he wrote the book, The Singular Universe and the Reality of Time with Robert Unger, a philosopher of science. I posted a bit about it in this thread long ago. Rusty and I had a rather lengthy PM correspondence about it before he passed.

Both Smolin and Unger had become disenchanted with the path taken by contemporary theoretical physics, in that it had grown farther and farther away from the single most important distinguishing characteristic of the epistemic method of science: experimental verification. I won't bother with details here. I believe that statement captures the essence of their concern.

A consequence of that distancing from experimental verification has been the growth of lines of theoretical inquiry that have produced radical theories regarding the nature of time and the possibility of numerous, possibly an infinite number, of simultaneously existing universes. Smolin and Unger wrote the book to assert the legitimacy of the position that the classical notion of time and the singularity of the universe were supportable both scientifically and philosophically.

It was a wonderfully argued book, beautifully written. I read it (along with others and some papers) in preparation for lectures a philosophy professor friend and colleague and I were delivering together.

But I had not read the previous book by Smolin, "The Trouble with Physics." This book, written in 2006, traces Smolin's work in String Theory, his gradual disenchantment with that line of research, and what he came to believe about both String Theory and the way theoretical physics is now being conducted.

I believe the research, thinking and writing of both Smolin and Unger are significant elaborations of similar work done by a previous physicist and historian/philosopher of science, Thomas Kuhn, that resulted in the 1962 publication of his book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. That book, hugely controversial at the time, has continued to generate controversy and has been revised and reissued in subsequent editions that continue to elaborate on the development of the ideas first argued there. Many (I'm among them) consider it one of the most significant and influential books of the 20th century. It's language and concepts have leaked into all fields since, many individuals using them without even knowing where they originated: paradigm formation, paradigm shift, etc.

I felt I needed to read The Trouble with Physics to fill a gap in my reading about the development of this line of thought. And here we are in coronavirus time, with more time than usual during the term to read far more broadly than what's necessary for my courses!
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Re: What book are you reading?

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durangopipe wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:51 pm
gaining_age wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:50 am
durangopipe wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:35 am
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Written before, The Singular Universe and the Realty of Time (which I read a while back). This one provides some important context for the second book which I’d read out of order.

I’ve got some extra time to catch up on this, one of my secondary academic interests - redeeming the time, as it were.

:pipe3:
Interesting. Feel free to write a summary when you have opportunity.

The study of physics in the academic realm (pre-research activity) is predominantly a study of history and methods of how to think and approach problems. The classics are mechanics, classical electricity and magnetism, and quantum mechanics as well as a dash of solid state, statistical and thermal physics, optics, nuclear physics, atomic physics, etc. All to prep the student on how to problem solve and approach the problems of current research or opportunities in engineering.

Then you get philosophy-- is our discrete approach to breaking down problems a representative of reality (truly)? This looks like that type of book-- an analysis of the philosophy of physics (consequences of the parts taken to an extreme). Life is always more than the sum of the parts- or at least our view of what the parts are. Yet, those parts have provided so much success in application. Remarkable!
Preliminary thoughts:

Smolin is a theoretical physicist who works at the Perimeter Institute in Canada. He was once one of the leading researchers in the field of String Theory. A couple of years ago he wrote the book, The Singular Universe and the Reality of Time with Robert Unger, a philosopher of science. I posted a bit about it in this thread long ago. Rusty and I had a rather lengthy PM correspondence about it before he passed.

Both Smolin and Unger had become disenchanted with the path taken by contemporary theoretical physics, in that it had grown farther and farther away from the single most important distinguishing characteristic of the epistemic method of science: experimental verification. I won't bother with details here. I believe that statement captures the essence of their concern.

A consequence of that distancing from experimental verification has been the growth of lines of theoretical inquiry that have produced radical theories regarding the nature of time and the possibility of numerous, possibly an infinite number, of simultaneously existing universes. Smolin and Unger wrote the book to assert the legitimacy of the position that the classical notion of time and the singularity of the universe were supportable both scientifically and philosophically.

It was a wonderfully argued book, beautifully written. I read it (along with others and some papers) in preparation for lectures a philosophy professor friend and colleague and I were delivering together.

But I had not read the previous book by Smolin, "The Trouble with Physics." This book, written in 2006, traces Smolin's work in String Theory, his gradual disenchantment with that line of research, and what he came to believe about both String Theory and the way theoretical physics is now being conducted.

I believe the research, thinking and writing of both Smolin and Unger are significant elaborations of similar work done by a previous physicist and historian/philosopher of science, Thomas Kuhn, that resulted in the 1962 publication of his book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. That book, hugely controversial at the time, has continued to generate controversy and has been revised and reissued in subsequent editions that continue to elaborate on the development of the ideas first argued there. Many (I'm among them) consider it one of the most significant and influential books of the 20th century. It's language and concepts have leaked into all fields since, many individuals using them without even knowing where they originated: paradigm formation, paradigm shift, etc.

I felt I needed to read The Trouble with Physics to fill a gap in my reading about the development of this line of thought. And here we are in coronavirus time, with more time than usual during the term to read far more broadly than what's necessary for my courses!
Very interesting. Thank you for the background and summary thoughts. The power of experimental verification and prediction is the cornerstone of the scientific method. Theoretical considerations of the very small, the very far away, the very distant past, or the very distant future shift further and further away from verifcation and validation and further and further toward philosophy or potentially "science fiction" (here, science fiction is the "what if this were true what would the ramification be..."). It's a challenging problem but the main issue is "equivalent footing" for testable vs. non-testable for the sciences. Most that don't pursue the rigor and the method don't think about the differences.

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FredS wrote:
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Re: What book are you reading?

Post by vwdeano » Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:30 am

Been reading a couple of the "Bryant and May" mysteries by Christopher Fowler... Good stuff.

I've also started back through my "Cat Who" mysteries again-Lillian Jackson Braun...

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