What the hell, Wisconsin?

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What the hell, Wisconsin?

Post by darthsaturn » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:55 pm

Has democracy just ceased to exist? Law makers fleeing the state, and cops refusing to remove protesters? What the hell?
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Post by TheDuke » Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:57 pm

Makes no sense to me either! We're hearing the same rumblings in our state also.
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Post by Del » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:21 pm

It has become "mob rule."

Oddly, they carry signs that say "This is What Democracy Looks Like" -- by the hundreds. But it's really a mob, attempting to overthrow the regime.

Not much different than in Egypt or Libya, in that sense.

Except that we already had a democracy, and an election, and a legislative debate, and now a minority want to start a revolution, because the democratic process didn't go the way that they wanted it to.
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Gov't worker: They're gonna take away my pension!

Private sector worker: What's a pension?
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Re: What the hell, Wisconsin?

Post by MrPiper » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:40 pm

darthsaturn wrote:Has democracy just ceased to exist? Law makers fleeing the state, and cops refusing to remove protesters? What the hell?
Actually what you are seeing is what happens when a republic breaks down and BECOMES a democracy. Democracy is basically mob rule.

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Post by Kerdy » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:47 pm

Our very own Egypt and Lybia. Or any other thug nation.
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Post by Del » Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:52 pm

Kerdy wrote:Our very own Egypt and Lybia. Or any other thug nation.
that is the danger. When the democratic process breaks down, the people who are most organized and most vicious are the ones to seize power.

The uni0n protestors in Wisconsin (many are from out-of-state) are well-organized and disgusting, but they have not turned vicious yet.
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Post by Roadmaster » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:45 pm

The workers have agreed to the wage cuts and increase in their copay. It's not money it's about busting the unions for the Koch brothers. The unions are already crippled and in some cases they deserve to be but without them we could slip into a one party system like China.
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Post by Skip » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:54 pm

TheDuke wrote:Makes no sense to me either! We're hearing the same rumblings in our state also.
Like, isn't Mongolia always like that?
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Post by darthsaturn » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:56 pm

I have not been keeping up with what is going on in detail. I am just amazed that no one seems to bat an eye that law makers have up and left their posts. That's like one of my employees not liking the way I run my business and walks out, only they don't still get paid for it. Then you have cops refusing to arrest people who are clearly breaking the law. I feel like I have awoke in crazy land, think I will go back to bed.
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Post by TNLawPiper » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:18 pm

Come on, folks. This is not Egypt or Libya, and such a statement should offend anyone who understands what the Egyptians and Libyans were demonstrating against. Those were revolutions -- this is a protest, and as Americans, we're allowed to protest.

Furthermore, the articles that I've read don't imply that it's illegal for the protesters to remain in the capitol building, but that police had initially planned to kick them out in order to have the building cleaned.

These protesters aren't primarily concerned with the decrease in wages. Wisconsin and other states are trying to eliminate their ability to engage in collective bargaining, which also concerns things like the number of students per teacher, the number of patients per nurse, and other terms of public employees' employment contracts.

Of course, whether they should be employed while protesting, and whether the Democrats are correct in fleeing the state, are separate issues altogether.

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Post by TNLawPiper » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:20 pm

Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.

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Post by AlwaysLearning » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Whole thing sounds like a dang waste of tax payer money.
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Post by darthsaturn » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:30 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.
Are you asking me, or the other folks on this thread. If your are asking me, I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. <redacted_emoji> I am not upset at the people protesting, I am upset with elected officials skipping town and the cops not doing their job by upholding the law. The people still have a right to peacefully assemble.
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Post by TNLawPiper » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:33 pm

darthsaturn wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.
Are you asking me, or the other folks on this thread. If your are asking me, I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. <redacted_emoji> I am not upset at the people protesting, I am upset with elected officials skipping town and the cops not doing their job by upholding the law. The people still have a right to peacefully assemble.
It was really a rhetorical question.

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Post by Del » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:01 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:
darthsaturn wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.
Are you asking me, or the other folks on this thread. If your are asking me, I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. <redacted_emoji> I am not upset at the people protesting, I am upset with elected officials skipping town and the cops not doing their job by upholding the law. The people still have a right to peacefully assemble.
It was really a rhetorical question.
I recall that there was plenty of outrage. The non-FOX media was full of it.

Of course, the TEA-Partiers had the decency to go home after their demonstration. Their goal was to persuade people to agree with the TEA Party in the ballot box. And it worked.
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Post by darthsaturn » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:31 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:
darthsaturn wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.
Are you asking me, or the other folks on this thread. If your are asking me, I knew I should've kept my mouth shut. <redacted_emoji> I am not upset at the people protesting, I am upset with elected officials skipping town and the cops not doing their job by upholding the law. The people still have a right to peacefully assemble.
It was really a rhetorical question.
Sorry, I didn't catch it. Throw it better next time. :wink:
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Post by donkeymule » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:56 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:Where was all of this outrage when the Tea Party was protesting and disrupting town hall meetings? That was free speech, right? So is this.
You are a Tea Party supporter? :lol: I support the right for the protests and I can understand and sympathize with people not wanting to give some things up. The problem is that collective bargaining directly correlates to the financial situation which is not sustainable. I dont support the unions.
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Post by Hovannes » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:04 pm

Is the cheese safe? 8O

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Post by Hovannes » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:05 pm

Who is the National Guard taking orders from? 8O

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Post by Hovannes » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:07 pm

Has Anderson Cooper been seen on the ground?

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