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Post by Bigwill » Tue May 17, 2011 8:03 pm

Irish-Dane wrote:Like I said, Will, I won't argue the point that we are a materialistic society and if you as a parent want to shield your children from an indoctrination of that, kudos to you. As long as you're honest in saying that you or any of us aren't free from its grip, I will agree with you.
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Post by Irish-Dane » Tue May 17, 2011 8:04 pm

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Irish-Dane wrote:Like I said, Will, I won't argue the point that we are a materialistic society and if you as a parent want to shield your children from an indoctrination of that, kudos to you. As long as you're honest in saying that you or any of us aren't free from its grip, I will agree with you.
I'm not claiming Sainthood. I'm certainly overly materialistic. But I'm trying not to be, and I'm trying to raise my children with the best of all priorities. If Arthur's not gonna help me do that, then that ugly little ghey anteater is OUTTA here.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by AFRS » Tue May 17, 2011 9:49 pm

darthsaturn wrote:Well, they found a velicaraptor who had feathers and was showing them how colorful they were.

Really? When did this happen?
Somewhere between the 6th and 7th Scotch.

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Thunktank » Tue May 17, 2011 9:51 pm

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darthsaturn wrote:Well, they found a velicaraptor who had feathers and was showing them how colorful they were.

Really? When did this happen?
Somewhere between the 6th and 7th Scotch.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by AFRS » Tue May 17, 2011 9:53 pm

Thunktank wrote:
AFRS wrote:
darthsaturn wrote:Well, they found a velicaraptor who had feathers and was showing them how colorful they were.

Really? When did this happen?
Somewhere between the 6th and 7th Scotch.
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Post by TheDuke » Tue May 17, 2011 9:59 pm

Thunktank wrote:
AFRS wrote:
darthsaturn wrote:Well, they found a velicaraptor who had feathers and was showing them how colorful they were.

Really? When did this happen?
Somewhere between the 6th and 7th Scotch.
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Post by sysiphus » Tue May 17, 2011 10:06 pm

Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
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Post by AFRS » Tue May 17, 2011 10:16 pm

Onyx wrote:scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution
BUAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA


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Post by TNLawPiper » Tue May 17, 2011 10:25 pm

sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?

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Post by gaining_age » Tue May 17, 2011 10:31 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:
sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?
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Post by TNLawPiper » Tue May 17, 2011 10:35 pm

gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?
Hahahahahahahhahahhhhahhhhahahah......
Despite the large number of idiots graduating universities, they allow others to acquire knowledge that cannot be acquired while supporting oneself. There's a reason why we don't let your average Joe write himself a prescription.

Kerdy has shown his mistaken knowledge of evolutionary biology in the past. I'm no biologist, but even I can tell that he has had it wrong on a couple of occasions.

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Post by gaining_age » Tue May 17, 2011 10:46 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:
gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?
Hahahahahahahhahahhhhahhhhahahah......
Despite the large number of idiots graduating universities, they allow others to acquire knowledge that cannot be acquired while supporting oneself. There's a reason why we don't let your average Joe write himself a prescription.

Kerdy has shown his mistaken knowledge of evolutionary biology in the past. I'm no biologist, but even I can tell that he has had it wrong on a couple of occasions.
The universities are a business. First and foremost they have to sustain themselves (first property of a group as per group dynamics). Profs have to bring in grant money as a priority. Student "satisfaction" as measured by polling opinions weigh heavily towards tenure decisions etc.

Don't kid yourself about Universities being ivory towers as keepers of knowledge.

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Post by Onyx » Tue May 17, 2011 10:47 pm

sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
No, that's pretty much the opposite of what I'm saying. Kerdy is way smart enough to get a good grasp of the evolution. I have a couple of books I could recommend which I think Kerdy would easily grasp and they would increase his sense of wonder at the natural world.

The trouble is that rather than learn about it, he thinks he can see flaws in it because his knowledge of it is so meager that he lacks even the knowledge to assess his own ignorance of the field.

Evolution is fact. We have long known that both birds and mammals evolved from reptiles. The point that has recently come into the public knowledge is that the reptiles from which birds evolved may have been from within the group of reptiles we call dinosaurs. I don't know what level of proof exists for this. As Kerdy suggests, it is subject to revision, because people continue to learn. However the knowledge that birds evolved from some form of reptile is so well established that we describe it as a "fact". The phenomenon we observe here of Christians mocking this sort of science is a discredit to Christianity, and speaks poorly of any genuine desire to seek truth.
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Post by TNLawPiper » Tue May 17, 2011 10:48 pm

gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?
Hahahahahahahhahahhhhahhhhahahah......
Despite the large number of idiots graduating universities, they allow others to acquire knowledge that cannot be acquired while supporting oneself. There's a reason why we don't let your average Joe write himself a prescription.

Kerdy has shown his mistaken knowledge of evolutionary biology in the past. I'm no biologist, but even I can tell that he has had it wrong on a couple of occasions.
The universities are a business. First and foremost they have to sustain themselves (first property of a group as per group dynamics). Profs have to bring in grant money as a priority. Student "satisfaction" as measured by polling opinions weigh heavily towards tenure decisions etc.

Don't kid yourself about Universities being ivory towers as keepers of knowledge.

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So Hawking could have learned all that he has learned about physics with a day job?

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Post by Thunktank » Tue May 17, 2011 10:52 pm

gaining_age wrote:Don't kid yourself about Universities being ivory towers as keepers of knowledge.
Yeah, they're in business to make sure this sort of stuff doesn't happen:

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Post by gaining_age » Tue May 17, 2011 10:56 pm

TNLawPiper wrote:
gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
gaining_age wrote:
TNLawPiper wrote:
sysiphus wrote:
Onyx wrote:
Kerdy wrote:Before they were big and then they...no after they were big and developed into...wait, before and after they...crud, I don't know. They keep freakin changing it.
You are a poster child for the Dunning Kruger effect. Not only do you not understand evolution as it relates to dinosaurs, you seem to lack even enough understanding of science to recognize that scientists have a superior working knowledge of evolution to you.
And that, therefore, a mere layman could never understand the hidden secrets of Science? Sounds like mysticism.
Expertise is highly regarded for a reason, right? Otherwise, why do universities exist?
Hahahahahahahhahahhhhahhhhahahah......
Despite the large number of idiots graduating universities, they allow others to acquire knowledge that cannot be acquired while supporting oneself. There's a reason why we don't let your average Joe write himself a prescription.

Kerdy has shown his mistaken knowledge of evolutionary biology in the past. I'm no biologist, but even I can tell that he has had it wrong on a couple of occasions.
The universities are a business. First and foremost they have to sustain themselves (first property of a group as per group dynamics). Profs have to bring in grant money as a priority. Student "satisfaction" as measured by polling opinions weigh heavily towards tenure decisions etc.

Don't kid yourself about Universities being ivory towers as keepers of knowledge.

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So Hawking could have learned all that he has learned about physics with a day job?
Prestige is still a factor. The bigger the name recognition the more it helps the university and the university name helps the physicists.

I'm not sure what you are asking. I do physics on the side off and on. It is not my day job. I may write a book and I may teach at university (or college) some day. There are advantages but I don't desire (at this point) running a lab and (in contrast to) running the grant race.

I once heard a prof suggest that gravitational theoretical physicists are needed like poets-- not many but you should have a few around for breadth ;)

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Post by infidel » Wed May 18, 2011 9:54 am

jruegg wrote:When did Dinosaurs get feathers?.....

Right before they became delicious.
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Post by tuttle » Wed May 18, 2011 10:33 am

infidel wrote:
jruegg wrote:When did Dinosaurs get feathers?.....

Right before they became delicious.
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Post by Rusty » Wed May 18, 2011 10:56 am

gaining_age wrote:I once heard a prof suggest that gravitational theoretical physicists are needed like poets-- not many but you should have a few around for breadth ;)

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Yeah, well there is a lot more than a few. Most of the big name universities have a group doing research in cosmology, relativity, gravitation, etc It's not unusual to see groups like this:
http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/research/#Ge ... 0Cosmology

http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Sci ... avitation/

These are just two examples off the top of my head. I'm sure that I could find lots more.

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