When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Jester » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:08 pm

infidel wrote:
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Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 pm
infidel wrote:
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Del wrote:
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“The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man.” ― G.K. Chesterton.
We're all created physically and mentally unequal, which surprise surprise is what one would expect from biological processes. You can dogmatically declare us all morally or spiritually equal wrt the Divine without stubbornly refusing to accept biological fact.
Which biological fact is he refusing?
That birds are dinosaurs, obviously.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Del » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:13 pm

Jester wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 pm
infidel wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:18 pm
Del wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:24 pm
“The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man.” ― G.K. Chesterton.
We're all created physically and mentally unequal, which surprise surprise is what one would expect from biological processes. You can dogmatically declare us all morally or spiritually equal wrt the Divine without stubbornly refusing to accept biological fact.
Which biological fact is he refusing?
In some circles, "equal" is forced to an extreme meaning of "identical." In such a realm, an unborn child is not equal to her mother, etc.... just as Blacks were deemed unequal to whites during the era of segregation, just because they looked different.

The problem with eugenics and racism is that it assumes that things like poverty, crime, sexual perversion, and moral depravity are caused by evolution and genetics -- deplorable folks are just "born that way." In this thinking, all we need to do is to identify a class of persons as being "undesirable" in some way, and then we can treat them like they are less than human. Or some class of persons is "less sentient" than others, and thus "less human."

Having different abilities as individuals does not make us unequal in our deserving of human rights. As the Declaration says, we all that the same God-given rights to things such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We don't all end at the same place, but we each have a natural right to seek opportunities and to reach as far as we can.
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The evolution folks jumped off of their scientific rails when they embrace eugenics, racism, and social darwinism. Science is dangerous when it is cut off from moral philosophy.

The scientism crowd did the mass genocides, not the creationist whackos! And the science-worshipping Left is still urging us to mass genocide of the next generation. They are anti-science, in not regarding all humans as humans.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Del » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Jester wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:08 pm
infidel wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:06 pm
Jester wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 pm
infidel wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:18 pm
Del wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:24 pm
“The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man.” ― G.K. Chesterton.
We're all created physically and mentally unequal, which surprise surprise is what one would expect from biological processes. You can dogmatically declare us all morally or spiritually equal wrt the Divine without stubbornly refusing to accept biological fact.
Which biological fact is he refusing?
That birds are dinosaurs, obviously.
:D :D
The first dinosaurs were created with feathers, right? They have always been birds.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Skip » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:31 pm

Hey, Del! Had a warning about getting political lately? Want one?

Back down, bro. :wink:
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:40 am

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by StoicDetective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:38 am

I hate to make this discussion worse, but did all dinos have feathers or just some of them?

Could they've been like cats? Some with hair and some without?
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by hugodrax » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:46 am

StoicDetective wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:38 am
I hate to make this discussion worse, but did all dinos have feathers or just some of them?

Could they've been like cats? Some with hair and some without?
You ever work for the Pittsburgh Police Department?
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by StoicDetective » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:15 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:46 am
StoicDetective wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:38 am
I hate to make this discussion worse, but did all dinos have feathers or just some of them?

Could they've been like cats? Some with hair and some without?
You ever work for the Pittsburgh Police Department?
LOL .... Crap! I just found proof :headwall: What was I thinking?!
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Jester » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:54 pm

StoicDetective wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:15 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:46 am
StoicDetective wrote:
Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:38 am
I hate to make this discussion worse, but did all dinos have feathers or just some of them?

Could they've been like cats? Some with hair and some without?
You ever work for the Pittsburgh Police Department?
LOL .... Crap! I just found proof :headwall: What was I thinking?!
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by Del » Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:48 pm

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Looks like that will end up like this....

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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I should check in here more often than once every few several years.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by UncleBob » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:12 pm

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by infidel » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:39 pm

Just love hyperbolic headlines :egor:
TFA wrote:Of course, it is a bit speculative to assume that every dinosaur could have had feathers, and a great deal of research will be needed to fully explore the prevalence of feathers among dinosaurs.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

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infidel wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:39 pm
Just love hyperbolic headlines :egor:
TFA wrote:Of course, it is a bit speculative to assume that every dinosaur could have had feathers, and a great deal of research will be needed to fully explore the prevalence of feathers among dinosaurs.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by UncleBob » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:32 pm

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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by tuttle » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:39 pm

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Baby bird fossil is 'rarest of the rare'

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Cool bird article. I like how it corroborates the Creationist narrative:
"It's amazing to realise that many of the features we see among living birds had already been developed more than 100 million years ago," said Luis Chiappe, from the LA Museum of Natural History.
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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Post by infidel » Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:23 pm

tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:39 pm
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Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:32 pm
Baby bird fossil is 'rarest of the rare'

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Cool bird article. I like how it corroborates the Creationist narrative:
"It's amazing to realise that many of the features we see among living birds had already been developed more than 100 million years ago," said Luis Chiappe, from the LA Museum of Natural History.
You don't say...
Yeah, many of the features of modern birds and yet not a single modern bird to be found among them. Huh.
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