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Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
by tuttle
infidel wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:23 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:39 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:32 pm
Baby bird fossil is 'rarest of the rare'

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Cool bird article. I like how it corroborates the Creationist narrative:
"It's amazing to realise that many of the features we see among living birds had already been developed more than 100 million years ago," said Luis Chiappe, from the LA Museum of Natural History.
You don't say...
Yeah, many of the features of modern birds and yet not a single modern bird to be found among them. Huh.
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

But more to the point, this guy is amazed by it. It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint. Of course many of the features of living birds existed with ancient birds. Because they're birds.

What I was most surprised about was that the article didn't go out of it's way to tell readers that, no, this isn't a bird, it is really an avian dinosaur (which I saw other articles about the same discovery do).

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:01 pm
by UncleBob
LOL! Here is the report: A diminutive perinate European Enantiornithes reveals an asynchronous ossification pattern in early birds. Read the article and see how silly the idea is of this being a modern bird.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm
by infidel
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint.
I've met and known plenty of creationists who would be surprised at these two statements coming from the same mouth :wink:

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:47 am
by tuttle
infidel wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint.
I've met and known plenty of creationists who would be surprised at these two statements coming from the same mouth :wink:
Ha, true. So have I. There is a spectrum within creationism.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:51 am
by tuttle
UncleBob wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:01 pm
LOL! Here is the report: A diminutive perinate European Enantiornithes reveals an asynchronous ossification pattern in early birds. Read the article and see how silly the idea is of this being a modern bird.
I didn't say, nor advocate that it was a modern bird. I said it was a bird.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:50 am
by hugodrax
This is one of my favorite threads. It makes me ludicrously happy, particularly after a morning in Magistrate Fang's courtroom.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:11 pm
by infidel
tuttle wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:47 am
infidel wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint.
I've met and known plenty of creationists who would be surprised at these two statements coming from the same mouth :wink:
Ha, true. So have I. There is a spectrum within creationism.
The funny thing is that ALL evolution is micro-evolution. Welcome to the dark side :wink:

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:08 pm
by tuttle
infidel wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:11 pm
tuttle wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:47 am
infidel wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint.
I've met and known plenty of creationists who would be surprised at these two statements coming from the same mouth :wink:
Ha, true. So have I. There is a spectrum within creationism.
The funny thing is that ALL evolution is micro-evolution. Welcome to the dark side :wink:
Yes.

All evolution is micro-evolution.

Hey, this is getting easier!

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:34 pm
by infidel
tuttle wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:08 pm
infidel wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:11 pm
tuttle wrote:
Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:47 am
infidel wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:14 pm
tuttle wrote:
Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:47 pm
Why would a modern bird be found among ancient birds? Micro-evolution, brother. Welcome to the 21st century. :wink:

It's not very surprising from a creationist standpoint.
I've met and known plenty of creationists who would be surprised at these two statements coming from the same mouth :wink:
Ha, true. So have I. There is a spectrum within creationism.
The funny thing is that ALL evolution is micro-evolution. Welcome to the dark side :wink:
Yes.

All evolution is micro-evolution.

Hey, this is getting easier!
I'm glad we had this little talk.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:26 pm
by UncleBob

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:34 pm
by UncleBob
What Doomed the Pterosaurs? Killed off in their prime, the leathery fliers may have been living too large for their own good

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Pterosaurs, as any paleontologist or 10-year-old will tell you, are not dinosaurs. Yet because of the name—and because they can also be massive and ferocious looking—these leathery-winged reptiles are often confused for their distant cousins. In reality, pterosaurs have their own, independent evolutionary history going back to over 220 million years ago. Nor are they related to today’s flying dinosaurs, which we call birds.
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There’s another way to look at this, though. We can examine the extinction event and ask why pterosaurs didn’t survive, Andres says. Or we can look at the aftermath, and what happened once birds were the primary fliers around. The fact that pterosaurs were large, and may have prevented birds from achieving comparable sizes, may have forced birds to inadvertently evolve in ways that would give them an advantage under pressure.

“By preventing birds from evolving larger sizes, Andres says, “the pterosaurs may have saved the birds from extinction.” So the next time you see a Steller’s jay at the feeder or chickadee on the street—you might want to thank a pterosaur.
The studies:

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:27 am
by UncleBob

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:00 am
by wosbald
+JMJ+
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDJ-Y-_Dxs

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
by UncleBob

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 pm
by infidel
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
Dinosaur footprints found on Skye
Nae a single feaither mentioned.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:42 am
by tuttle
infidel wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
Dinosaur footprints found on Skye
Nae a single feaither mentioned.
And I posted it already the day before in the appropriate forum: http://christianpipesmokers.net/viewtop ... 9#p1187059

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:59 am
by UncleBob

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:00 am
by UncleBob
tuttle wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:42 am
infidel wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
Dinosaur footprints found on Skye
Nae a single feaither mentioned.
And I posted it already the day before in the appropriate forum: http://christianpipesmokers.net/viewtop ... 9#p1187059
You two may benefit from reading the first post of this thread, again.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:21 am
by tuttle
UncleBob wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:00 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:42 am
infidel wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
Dinosaur footprints found on Skye
Nae a single feaither mentioned.
And I posted it already the day before in the appropriate forum: http://christianpipesmokers.net/viewtop ... 9#p1187059
You two may benefit from reading the first post of this thread, again.
50 pages in... I think we've pretty much settled this thread into it's own little niche, which happens to happily reflect the thread title.

Re: When did Dinosaurs get feathers?

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:24 am
by UncleBob
tuttle wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:21 am
UncleBob wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:00 am
tuttle wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:42 am
infidel wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:27 pm
Dinosaur footprints found on Skye
Nae a single feaither mentioned.
And I posted it already the day before in the appropriate forum: http://christianpipesmokers.net/viewtop ... 9#p1187059
You two may benefit from reading the first post of this thread, again.
50 pages in... I think we've pretty much settled this thread into it's own little niche, which happens to happily reflect the thread title.
Exactly. That niche is not just reporting on dino feathers, though.