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Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God.


Our priest gave a great sermon on devotion to Mary. "Have you made any New Year resolutions? Spend some quiet time today... Ask Mom,'What should we work on this year? What are the steps we need to take? ' Listen to her advice."
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NATIONAL MIGRATION WEEK: Commemoration sheds light on plight of migrants worldwide
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To anyone familiar with the traditional Christmas story, gold, frankincense and myrrh are nearly as familiar as Mary, Joseph and Jesus.

Anyone who has ever seen a Christmas pageant will remember them as the gifts the Magi — those learned men from the East who come to investigate the birth of Jesus.

The discovery or “epiphany” of Jesus by the Magi is celebrated worldwide in many churches — Catholic as well as some Protestant — on Jan. 6. Epiphany Sunday, as the day is known, falls 12 days after Christmas on the Gregorian calendar, hence “The Twelve Days of Christmas.”

For nearly 50 years the Catholic Church has chosen Epiphany Sunday as a springboard for National Migration Week, and the travails of Mary and Joseph as exemplars of the plight of modern migrants the world over.

According to the website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Migration Week “draws attention to the fact that each of our families has a migration story — some recent and some distant. It is an opportunity for the Church to reflect on the circumstances confronting migrants, including immigrants, refugees, children, and victims and survivors of human trafficking.”

St. James Catholic Church in Tupelo is beginning its fifth year celebrating National Migration Week. This year the church will host a week-long series of activities and lectures beginning today and ending Jan. 11.

Danna Johnson, director of Hispanic Ministries at St. Christopher Catholic Church in Pontotoc, said St. Christopher, along with other area churches, will join St. James for the celebration of National Migration Week.

“Each year the event has gotten bigger,” she said. “We have events planned all week, both in Spanish and in English.”

Johnson said Epiphany and National Migration Week have particular resonance in our historical moment.

“In this political environment, we need to have education and awareness that’s not based on fear or ignorance,” she said. “We want to create a space where we can raise awareness and have an epiphany — an ‘aha moment’ of discovery.”

Johnson said the theme of this year’s National Migration Week — “Creating Communities of Welcome” — is meant to be broadly inclusive, and she hopes the events at St. James in Tupelo will impact all kinds of people.

“It’s really the core of Pope Francis’ message,” she said. “We want to encounter others as Jesus did. As followers of Jesus, we need to create spaces of encounter with all kinds of people — not just Catholics and not just Hispanics.”

While Johnson said Epiphany Sunday is a lovely commemoration of the visit of the Magi, it can be much more than a quaint remembrance.

“It’s easy to romanticize Epiphany,” she said. “But there’s nothing romantic about it. Mary and Joseph were a migrant family. We have to raise awareness of what immigrants are experiencing in this country and around the world and place ourselves in the story.”

[…]
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
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INTRODUCTION

The émigré Holy Family of Nazareth, fleeing into Egypt, is the archetype of every refugee family. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, living in exile in Egypt to escape the fury of an evil king, are, for all times and all places, the models and protectors of every migrant, alien and refugee of whatever kind who, whether compelled by fear of persecution or by want, is forced to leave his native land, his beloved parents and relatives, his close friends, and to seek a foreign soil.

[.…]

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"For this reason, on June 1, 1951 … we did speak of the right of people to migrate, which right is founded in the very nature of land."
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Post by hugodrax » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:05 am

wosbald wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:34 am
+JMJ+

NATIONAL MIGRATION WEEK: Commemoration sheds light on plight of migrants worldwide
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To anyone familiar with the traditional Christmas story, gold, frankincense and myrrh are nearly as familiar as Mary, Joseph and Jesus.

Anyone who has ever seen a Christmas pageant will remember them as the gifts the Magi — those learned men from the East who come to investigate the birth of Jesus.

The discovery or “epiphany” of Jesus by the Magi is celebrated worldwide in many churches — Catholic as well as some Protestant — on Jan. 6. Epiphany Sunday, as the day is known, falls 12 days after Christmas on the Gregorian calendar, hence “The Twelve Days of Christmas.”

For nearly 50 years the Catholic Church has chosen Epiphany Sunday as a springboard for National Migration Week, and the travails of Mary and Joseph as exemplars of the plight of modern migrants the world over.

According to the website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Migration Week “draws attention to the fact that each of our families has a migration story — some recent and some distant. It is an opportunity for the Church to reflect on the circumstances confronting migrants, including immigrants, refugees, children, and victims and survivors of human trafficking.”

St. James Catholic Church in Tupelo is beginning its fifth year celebrating National Migration Week. This year the church will host a week-long series of activities and lectures beginning today and ending Jan. 11.

Danna Johnson, director of Hispanic Ministries at St. Christopher Catholic Church in Pontotoc, said St. Christopher, along with other area churches, will join St. James for the celebration of National Migration Week.

“Each year the event has gotten bigger,” she said. “We have events planned all week, both in Spanish and in English.”

Johnson said Epiphany and National Migration Week have particular resonance in our historical moment.

“In this political environment, we need to have education and awareness that’s not based on fear or ignorance,” she said. “We want to create a space where we can raise awareness and have an epiphany — an ‘aha moment’ of discovery.”

Johnson said the theme of this year’s National Migration Week — “Creating Communities of Welcome” — is meant to be broadly inclusive, and she hopes the events at St. James in Tupelo will impact all kinds of people.

“It’s really the core of Pope Francis’ message,” she said. “We want to encounter others as Jesus did. As followers of Jesus, we need to create spaces of encounter with all kinds of people — not just Catholics and not just Hispanics.”

While Johnson said Epiphany Sunday is a lovely commemoration of the visit of the Magi, it can be much more than a quaint remembrance.

“It’s easy to romanticize Epiphany,” she said. “But there’s nothing romantic about it. Mary and Joseph were a migrant family. We have to raise awareness of what immigrants are experiencing in this country and around the world and place ourselves in the story.”

[…]
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
Apostolic Constitution
Pope Pius XII - 1952


INTRODUCTION

The émigré Holy Family of Nazareth, fleeing into Egypt, is the archetype of every refugee family. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, living in exile in Egypt to escape the fury of an evil king, are, for all times and all places, the models and protectors of every migrant, alien and refugee of whatever kind who, whether compelled by fear of persecution or by want, is forced to leave his native land, his beloved parents and relatives, his close friends, and to seek a foreign soil.

[.…]
Yeah, that pesky Christ getting in the way of fuzzy feel good nondenominational huggy-poos. Johnson's a real piece of work: the visit of the Magi is "quaint" and January 6 can be so much more if you just politicize it terribly. It's not about the King of Kings, it's really about Liberation Theology and the eternal struggle of the proletariat. It's more about dead migrant children. The Feast of Christ the Prole.

Exsul Familia was an interesting juxtaposition to Johnson. Do these quasi-Lutherans who want a Muslim in every home have any plans for converting them? Will they employ the Guatamalan or merely preach about his innate dignity and have workshops filled with old women in pants forming silly committees? Nobody ever rapes the Johnson's of this world. Guess it will just be my daughters.

We fought the Battle of Lepanto, and with the intercession of the Blessed Mother, we won and sent the Islamic hordes packing. It was a defense of homeland and Faith. Now, those without Faith but clothed in the cloth are telling us neither Faith nor homeland are to be defended. Horsefeathers.

I have the utmost respect for the Holy Family and the holy families fleeing religious persecution. I have affinity for genuine economic migrants. But don't ever tell me that I bear responsibility for the child they lost on the march they chose to make.
I am also of the opinion that the Jesuits should be suppressed.

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Post by Hovannes » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:51 am

A blessed Epiphany to you all!
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Hovannes wrote:
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A blessed Epiphany to you all!
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hugodrax wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:05 am
wosbald wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:34 am
+JMJ+

NATIONAL MIGRATION WEEK: Commemoration sheds light on plight of migrants worldwide
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To anyone familiar with the traditional Christmas story, gold, frankincense and myrrh are nearly as familiar as Mary, Joseph and Jesus.

Anyone who has ever seen a Christmas pageant will remember them as the gifts the Magi — those learned men from the East who come to investigate the birth of Jesus.

The discovery or “epiphany” of Jesus by the Magi is celebrated worldwide in many churches — Catholic as well as some Protestant — on Jan. 6. Epiphany Sunday, as the day is known, falls 12 days after Christmas on the Gregorian calendar, hence “The Twelve Days of Christmas.”

For nearly 50 years the Catholic Church has chosen Epiphany Sunday as a springboard for National Migration Week, and the travails of Mary and Joseph as exemplars of the plight of modern migrants the world over.

According to the website of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Migration Week “draws attention to the fact that each of our families has a migration story — some recent and some distant. It is an opportunity for the Church to reflect on the circumstances confronting migrants, including immigrants, refugees, children, and victims and survivors of human trafficking.”

St. James Catholic Church in Tupelo is beginning its fifth year celebrating National Migration Week. This year the church will host a week-long series of activities and lectures beginning today and ending Jan. 11.

Danna Johnson, director of Hispanic Ministries at St. Christopher Catholic Church in Pontotoc, said St. Christopher, along with other area churches, will join St. James for the celebration of National Migration Week.

“Each year the event has gotten bigger,” she said. “We have events planned all week, both in Spanish and in English.”

Johnson said Epiphany and National Migration Week have particular resonance in our historical moment.

“In this political environment, we need to have education and awareness that’s not based on fear or ignorance,” she said. “We want to create a space where we can raise awareness and have an epiphany — an ‘aha moment’ of discovery.”

Johnson said the theme of this year’s National Migration Week — “Creating Communities of Welcome” — is meant to be broadly inclusive, and she hopes the events at St. James in Tupelo will impact all kinds of people.

“It’s really the core of Pope Francis’ message,” she said. “We want to encounter others as Jesus did. As followers of Jesus, we need to create spaces of encounter with all kinds of people — not just Catholics and not just Hispanics.”

While Johnson said Epiphany Sunday is a lovely commemoration of the visit of the Magi, it can be much more than a quaint remembrance.

“It’s easy to romanticize Epiphany,” she said. “But there’s nothing romantic about it. Mary and Joseph were a migrant family. We have to raise awareness of what immigrants are experiencing in this country and around the world and place ourselves in the story.”

[…]
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
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Exsul Familia Nazarethana
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Pope Pius XII - 1952


INTRODUCTION

The émigré Holy Family of Nazareth, fleeing into Egypt, is the archetype of every refugee family. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, living in exile in Egypt to escape the fury of an evil king, are, for all times and all places, the models and protectors of every migrant, alien and refugee of whatever kind who, whether compelled by fear of persecution or by want, is forced to leave his native land, his beloved parents and relatives, his close friends, and to seek a foreign soil.

[.…]
Yeah, that pesky Christ getting in the way of fuzzy feel good nondenominational huggy-poos. Johnson's a real piece of work: the visit of the Magi is "quaint" and January 6 can be so much more if you just politicize it terribly. It's not about the King of Kings, it's really about Liberation Theology and the eternal struggle of the proletariat. It's more about dead migrant children. The Feast of Christ the Prole.

Exsul Familia was an interesting juxtaposition to Johnson. Do these quasi-Lutherans who want a Muslim in every home have any plans for converting them? Will they employ the Guatamalan or merely preach about his innate dignity and have workshops filled with old women in pants forming silly committees? Nobody ever rapes the Johnson's of this world. Guess it will just be my daughters.

We fought the Battle of Lepanto, and with the intercession of the Blessed Mother, we won and sent the Islamic hordes packing. It was a defense of homeland and Faith. Now, those without Faith but clothed in the cloth are telling us neither Faith nor homeland are to be defended. Horsefeathers.

I have the utmost respect for the Holy Family and the holy families fleeing religious persecution. I have affinity for genuine economic migrants. But don't ever tell me that I bear responsibility for the child they lost on the march they chose to make.
It seems that the kindest thing we can do for immigrant families is to build a border wall and strictly enforce our borders. This would end the temptation of poor families to cross dangerous deserts with their young and sick children.

And we will also need to open a liberal and generous policy for legal immigration, processing applications swiftly and inexpensively.

Why is Congress so blind to this, no matter which Party controls it?

Republicans have been spineless, as usual. But I am especially dismayed by the Democrats -- who seem to desire a high rate of illegal immigration and all of the poverty, misery, and exploitation that this creates.
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Post by Hovannes » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:05 pm

Human trafficking is the crime no one chooses to discuss.
Where in the hell does Washington think most of these girls come from?
A wall could help. I don't think it would hurt.
At the very least it would offer job security to the repair crews.

What might really help is a good revolution in Mexico and Central America to get rid of institutionalized corruption so that people could have a stake in their own homes and countries.
Elections don't seem to have much effect.
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Post by UncleBob » Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:38 pm

Mrs UB studies and teaches on human trafficking. Most girls are trafficked by family in the US and from the foster youth populations. The wall would have no effect.
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Post by hugodrax » Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:51 pm

I seem to have opened a can of worms that I wish I hadn't. I believe with all my heart that it is possible to be fully Catholic and be on either end of just about any political debate. What I resent, and resent very much, is the politicization of my faith.

As much as that lady and those like her believe they are right, it gives them no right to tell me how Jesus would have wanted me to vote. Nor can I tell her. Its possible for everyone to be partially right on the immigration issue and for nobody to be totally right. And both sides could simultaneously be in a state of grace.

What set me off was the stance that Epiphany isn't about Epiphany, really, but more about a modern political issue. No, ma'am. It' precisely this desire to make everything oh-so-hot-button-relevant that puts us at each other's throats and causes us to lose sight of true, unchanging universal truthiness. Keep your eyes on that manger and the Three Kings. Don't try to make Trump into King Herod and equate the tragic death of a little child into the Biblical massacre of the innocents.
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Post by Hovannes » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:21 pm

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I seem to have opened a can of worms that I wish I hadn't. I believe with all my heart that it is possible to be fully Catholic and be on either end of just about any political debate. What I resent, and resent very much, is the politicization of my faith.

As much as that lady and those like her believe they are right, it gives them no right to tell me how Jesus would have wanted me to vote. Nor can I tell her. Its possible for everyone to be partially right on the immigration issue and for nobody to be totally right. And both sides could simultaneously be in a state of grace.

What set me off was the stance that Epiphany isn't about Epiphany, really, but more about a modern political issue. No, ma'am. It' precisely this desire to make everything oh-so-hot-button-relevant that puts us at each other's throats and causes us to lose sight of true, unchanging universal truthiness. Keep your eyes on that manger and the Three Kings. Don't try to make Trump into King Herod and equate the tragic death of a little child into the Biblical massacre of the innocents.
You're absolutely correct, sir!
One relevance Epiphany provides is the question that Herod called the high priest from the Temple to enquire about the birth of King of the Jews. The Temple priests well knew from the OT that the Christ child would be born in Bethlehem, ergo Herod, as well as the religious leaders knew the Christ child was tp be born in Bethlehem.
Bethlehem is perhaps a couple of miles from Jerusalem, yet neither the religious leaders nor Herod went to seek and pay homage the Christ child. Only the wise men/Kings/ Astrologers who journeyed from abroad went to pay homage and bring gifts.
This should make me contemplate upon what gift I'm bringing to the Christ child this Epiphany, or if I too will keep my distance?
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UncleBob wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:38 pm
Mrs UB studies and teaches on human trafficking. Most girls are trafficked by family in the US and from the foster youth populations. The wall would have no effect.
Human trafficking is not just about sex slavery.

And while most sex slaves might come from some other source (such as foster programs), the fact remains that our illegal immigration epidemic places hundreds of thousands of people in danger of enslavement by gangs and unscrupulous employers.

If we have a problem in our foster care system, we still have a problem with poor border security. And in both cases, innocent people are endangered and unprotected by our government justice system. They are easy to exploit.

The key problem is that the victims are afraid to turn to law enforcement for help.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1J7038
But worried and silenced by the nation’s hardened attitude toward migrants, frightened workers face greater risk of falling victim to forced labor, trafficking, wage theft and debt bondage, advocates and officials told the Thomson Reuters Foundation during several trips over a five-month period.

..............

Attorney Libby Hasse from the Tahirih Justice Center in Houston described a case of a woman who fled El Salvador, where she had been targeted for being a lesbian.

She crossed illegally into the Valley with a smuggler who took her captive and demanded more money from her family.

“She was forced to cook and clean and take care of kids for several months,” Hasse said. “Unfortunately it’s something that we see fairly frequently.”

A pregnant young woman from Mexico told police in the Valley city of San Juan that a smuggler had raped her and bound her with duct tape so she could not escape.

“You may not know you’re being trafficked, but you then discover it when you arrive,” said Alex Channer, principal analyst at U.K-based Verisk Maplecroft, a human rights data research company that studies labor abuse.

“You’re owned and controlled by someone else.”

U.S. federal authorities said they had received no reports of labor or sex trafficking cases in the Valley but blamed the silence on the traumatic nature of the crime.
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Post by UncleBob » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:11 am

Del wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:35 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:38 pm
Mrs UB studies and teaches on human trafficking. Most girls are trafficked by family in the US and from the foster youth populations. The wall would have no effect.
Human trafficking is not just about sex slavery.

And while most sex slaves might come from some other source (such as foster programs), the fact remains that our illegal immigration epidemic places hundreds of thousands of people in danger of enslavement by gangs and unscrupulous employers.

If we have a problem in our foster care system, we still have a problem with poor border security. And in both cases, innocent people are endangered and unprotected by our government justice system. They are easy to exploit.

The key problem is that the victims are afraid to turn to law enforcement for help.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1J7038
But worried and silenced by the nation’s hardened attitude toward migrants, frightened workers face greater risk of falling victim to forced labor, trafficking, wage theft and debt bondage, advocates and officials told the Thomson Reuters Foundation during several trips over a five-month period.

..............

Attorney Libby Hasse from the Tahirih Justice Center in Houston described a case of a woman who fled El Salvador, where she had been targeted for being a lesbian.

She crossed illegally into the Valley with a smuggler who took her captive and demanded more money from her family.

“She was forced to cook and clean and take care of kids for several months,” Hasse said. “Unfortunately it’s something that we see fairly frequently.”

A pregnant young woman from Mexico told police in the Valley city of San Juan that a smuggler had raped her and bound her with duct tape so she could not escape.

“You may not know you’re being trafficked, but you then discover it when you arrive,” said Alex Channer, principal analyst at U.K-based Verisk Maplecroft, a human rights data research company that studies labor abuse.

“You’re owned and controlled by someone else.”

U.S. federal authorities said they had received no reports of labor or sex trafficking cases in the Valley but blamed the silence on the traumatic nature of the crime.
If you would like to learn about human trafficking then here are some sources:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dcd1/a ... 52ee8d.pdf
https://polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/facts
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15_sum.pdf
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15.pdf
Citizenship
U.S. citizen 896 93.9% 256 92.1% 355 96.5% 285 92.5%
Legal alien 28 2.9% 13 4.7% 6 1.6% 9 2.9%
Illegal alien 30 3.1% 9 3.2% 7 1.9% 14 4.5%
But hey... why let facts get in the way of your bias?
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Post by hugodrax » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:37 am

UncleBob wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:11 am
Del wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:35 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:38 pm
Mrs UB studies and teaches on human trafficking. Most girls are trafficked by family in the US and from the foster youth populations. The wall would have no effect.
Human trafficking is not just about sex slavery.

And while most sex slaves might come from some other source (such as foster programs), the fact remains that our illegal immigration epidemic places hundreds of thousands of people in danger of enslavement by gangs and unscrupulous employers.

If we have a problem in our foster care system, we still have a problem with poor border security. And in both cases, innocent people are endangered and unprotected by our government justice system. They are easy to exploit.

The key problem is that the victims are afraid to turn to law enforcement for help.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1J7038
But worried and silenced by the nation’s hardened attitude toward migrants, frightened workers face greater risk of falling victim to forced labor, trafficking, wage theft and debt bondage, advocates and officials told the Thomson Reuters Foundation during several trips over a five-month period.

..............

Attorney Libby Hasse from the Tahirih Justice Center in Houston described a case of a woman who fled El Salvador, where she had been targeted for being a lesbian.

She crossed illegally into the Valley with a smuggler who took her captive and demanded more money from her family.

“She was forced to cook and clean and take care of kids for several months,” Hasse said. “Unfortunately it’s something that we see fairly frequently.”

A pregnant young woman from Mexico told police in the Valley city of San Juan that a smuggler had raped her and bound her with duct tape so she could not escape.

“You may not know you’re being trafficked, but you then discover it when you arrive,” said Alex Channer, principal analyst at U.K-based Verisk Maplecroft, a human rights data research company that studies labor abuse.

“You’re owned and controlled by someone else.”

U.S. federal authorities said they had received no reports of labor or sex trafficking cases in the Valley but blamed the silence on the traumatic nature of the crime.
If you would like to learn about human trafficking then here are some sources:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dcd1/a ... 52ee8d.pdf
https://polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/facts
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15_sum.pdf
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15.pdf
Citizenship
U.S. citizen 896 93.9% 256 92.1% 355 96.5% 285 92.5%
Legal alien 28 2.9% 13 4.7% 6 1.6% 9 2.9%
Illegal alien 30 3.1% 9 3.2% 7 1.9% 14 4.5%
But hey... why let facts get in the way of your bias?
Lolololol. Don’t ever change, Bob. You’re only in this thread because somebody said “Mexican.”

It’s the Catholic Thread. Go play in the opt-in forum, boys.
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Post by Del » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:01 am

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:37 am
UncleBob wrote:
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Mrs UB studies and teaches on human trafficking. Most girls are trafficked by family in the US and from the foster youth populations. The wall would have no effect.
Human trafficking is not just about sex slavery.

And while most sex slaves might come from some other source (such as foster programs), the fact remains that our illegal immigration epidemic places hundreds of thousands of people in danger of enslavement by gangs and unscrupulous employers.

If we have a problem in our foster care system, we still have a problem with poor border security. And in both cases, innocent people are endangered and unprotected by our government justice system. They are easy to exploit.

The key problem is that the victims are afraid to turn to law enforcement for help.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN1J7038
But worried and silenced by the nation’s hardened attitude toward migrants, frightened workers face greater risk of falling victim to forced labor, trafficking, wage theft and debt bondage, advocates and officials told the Thomson Reuters Foundation during several trips over a five-month period.

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Attorney Libby Hasse from the Tahirih Justice Center in Houston described a case of a woman who fled El Salvador, where she had been targeted for being a lesbian.

She crossed illegally into the Valley with a smuggler who took her captive and demanded more money from her family.

“She was forced to cook and clean and take care of kids for several months,” Hasse said. “Unfortunately it’s something that we see fairly frequently.”

A pregnant young woman from Mexico told police in the Valley city of San Juan that a smuggler had raped her and bound her with duct tape so she could not escape.

“You may not know you’re being trafficked, but you then discover it when you arrive,” said Alex Channer, principal analyst at U.K-based Verisk Maplecroft, a human rights data research company that studies labor abuse.

“You’re owned and controlled by someone else.”

U.S. federal authorities said they had received no reports of labor or sex trafficking cases in the Valley but blamed the silence on the traumatic nature of the crime.
If you would like to learn about human trafficking then here are some sources:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/dcd1/a ... 52ee8d.pdf
https://polarisproject.org/human-trafficking/facts
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15_sum.pdf
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fphtc15.pdf
Citizenship
U.S. citizen 896 93.9% 256 92.1% 355 96.5% 285 92.5%
Legal alien 28 2.9% 13 4.7% 6 1.6% 9 2.9%
Illegal alien 30 3.1% 9 3.2% 7 1.9% 14 4.5%
But hey... why let facts get in the way of your bias?
Lolololol. Don’t ever change, Bob. You’re only in this thread because somebody said “Mexican.”

It’s the Catholic Thread. Go play in the opt-in forum, boys.
A few years ago, the annual Chesterton Conference was held -- of places -- at a casino in Reno, NV. There were poster ads for van rides to the legal brothels, and one guy was propositioned by a gal lurking near hotel elevators.

I also saw posters offering to help sex workers with rescue aid. Other posters educating tourists about sex trafficking and slavery, and how badly the women are abused by sex work -- even if they seem willing. ALL of these rescue ads were sponsored by the Catholic Diocese of Reno.

And then I recalled that the USCCB had a very successful rescue ministry for immigrant victims of sex trafficking along our southern border... the highest rated service, according whatever government agency was partnering with them. Until Obama killed the partnership by a weaponized executive order... just because the Catholic rescue efforts wouldn't pay for abortions.

It made me proud to be Catholic. To be part of a real effort to relieve human suffering, helping victims, women, and children.

It is so sad when "hating Trump" and "supporting abortion" are more important than making real steps toward reducing human trafficking and sex trafficking. The priorities are upside-down.
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Re: THE CATHOLIC THREAD

Post by hugodrax » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:25 am

I’m so sick of Catholorepublicanism and Democatholicism.

Can’t we just interpret Jesus’s political teachings for what they really were, a plea to keep the Jews out of government?

I keed. I keed. Ouch, John-Boy. Stop it. I’m going. You don’t need to poke me.
I am also of the opinion that the Jesuits should be suppressed.

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Pro-lifers: N.Y. abortion bill could one day make being pro-life ‘a crime’ [In-Depth]
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New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo speaks Nov. 13, 2018, during a news conference in New York City. (Credit: CNS photo/Jeenah Moon, Reuters)

ALBANY, New York — Officials at the New York State Catholic Conference are calling the Reproductive Health Act “worse than we thought it would be.”

“It foresees a time in New York where it’s a crime to be pro-life,” said Kathleen Gallagher, director of pro-life activities and the Catholic Action Network for the conference, which is the public policy arm of the state’s Catholic bishops.

The measure, introduced in the Legislature the week of Jan. 7, will expand access to abortion in the state, despite being promoted as simply codifying Roe v. Wade. It not only increases access to abortion across the board, including late-term abortions, but also goes beyond Roe, which left some limits in place.

The Reproductive Health Act, or RHA, is known as S. 240 in the state Senate and A. 21 in the state Assembly.

“The RHA is a great blow to the pro-life community,” said Renee Morgiewicz, coordinator of Respect Life Ministry and parish services and for the Albany Diocese. “Many people in New York state have successfully held off the legislation for 12 years.”

In the past, a bipartisan Legislature has helped keep the RHA at bay. With regard to life issues, so far, “the Republican Party has helped a lot with” supporting the pro-life agenda, said Morgiewicz. Now, with a Democratic majority in the state Senate, many pro-life issues are anticipated to take a big hit — particularly abortion.

“The fact that we’ve held this off for 12 years gives me great comfort,” Gallagher told The Evangelist, newspaper of the Albany Diocese. “It means we’ve saved some human lives, and we saved women from anguish.”

The measure is expected to pass within the first 30 days of the legislative session, as promised by Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Dennis Poust, director of communications for the New York State Catholic Conference, said the numbers needed to prevent the bill from passing “just aren’t there.”

“The Assembly is overwhelmingly Democrat, and the governor is the one who has been proposing it. (Senate Democrats) ran on this and were swept into office, so they’re not going to not pass it,” he explained.

The bill refers to abortion as a “fundamental human right,” which is cause for concern, said Gallagher. Because of the strong language, the bill could be used to block religious organizations from advocating for life, or prevent doctors from abstaining from performing abortions on religious or moral grounds.

“‘A fundamental right’ is a right that could supersede everything, even the right of conscience and religious freedom,” said Morgiewicz.

The RHA also repeals the current state requirement that only a licensed physician can perform an abortion and repeals the current law that states third-trimester abortions can only be performed in cases where the mother’s life is in danger.

Physicians and other health care practitioners in neighboring states that still hold strict laws on late-term abortions, such as Pennsylvania, could see this bill as “a green light” to come to the state for work, said Gallagher.

The bill also repeals protections for accidental live births and disallows criminal charges for illegal abortions, such as when a perpetrator seeks to abort their partner’s child through drugs or physical violence.

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— Pope Pius XII, Exsul Familia Nazarethana

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Post by wosbald » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:17 pm

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Archbishop says empty Christian village in Israel a ‘symbol’ [In-Depth]
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For 70 years, the Christians of the village of Iqrit in Israel have been trying to return home.

The people of the village were driven from their homes in the 1948 Israeli-Arab war, and now the only permanent building is their parish church.

Unlike hundreds of other Arab villages in Israel depopulated in the conflict, the area of Iqrit has not been re-inhabited by Israeli Jewish settlers. In fact, in 1951, Israel’s Supreme Court said the villagers had the right to return to their homes.

Yet the same year — on Christmas Day no less — the Israeli army demolished all of the homes in the town.

But still, the villagers, most of whom live less then 30 minutes away in surrounding towns, can only visit their home for religious services at the church.

Nemi Ashkar, chairman of Iqrit Community Association, told Crux he has met with various government officials, most of whom seem sympathetic to the villagers’ plight.

“All of them understand the situation, and all of them agree that we have the right to return to Iqrit and to rebuild Iqrit,” he said. “And all of them also say the answers and the decision and the determination in this case is only by the prime minister’s office.”

Unfortunately, Ashkar added, Iqrit is not on the prime minister’s agenda.

On Tuesday, the village was on the agenda of the Holy Land Coordination, an international group of bishops that visits the region each year in an act of solidarity with the local Christian population.

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This year, the focus of the pilgrimage is on Christians in Israel.

“We have concentrated in the past on the West Bank and of course in Gaza,” said South African Archbishop Stephen Brislin of Cape Town.

He told Crux that Christians in Israel told him they often felt “neglected and abandoned” by the universal Church.

There are nearly 170,000 Christians in Israel, the vast majority of whom are Arab. For Catholics, their minority status is amplified: As Arabs, they are a minority among other Israeli citizens; and as Christians, they are a minority among the mostly-Muslim Arabs.

“They are in a very tenuous and quite a vulnerable situation,” Brislin said.

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Ashkar told Crux they continue to lobby the Israeli government, as well as work through the Israeli courts.

Some might question why the people of Iqrit continue their decades-long quest: After all most of the original villagers have died, and their descendants are now living in nearby villages with families of their own.

But Ashkar said only Iqrit is home.

“Why do we still insist we return? Because families, our fathers and our grandfather are buried here. If you have a grave in the field, you cannot leave it,” he said.

“Iqrit still lives in the heart of everyone from the community. All of our spiritual events — weddings, prayers, Christmas events, Easter events — we are praying in our church in Iqrit. When someone dies, we bury them in Iqrit. The only way we can return to our land is in our coffin,” he continued.

“It is part of us, and the place is empty waiting for us,” Ashkar said.

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