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Pope Francis: We are created to make God’s dreams come true
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Pope Francis preaches the homily at the Mass for the Solemnity of Christ the King (Vatican Media)

Pope Francis celebrates Mass for the Solemnity of Christ the King on Sunday. In his homily, the Holy Father invites young people we were created “to make God’s dreams come true in this world.”

Pope Francis celebrated Mass in Saint Peter’s Basilica for the Solemnity of Christ the King, observed annually on the last Sunday of the liturgical year.

The Holy Father used the day’s Gospel, with Jesus' discourse on the Last Judgement, as the starting point for his homily. “Before pouring out His love for us on the Cross, Jesus shares his final wishes,” the Pope said. “He tells us that the good we do to one of our least brothers and sisters — whether hungry or thirsty, a stranger, in need, sick or in prison — we do to Him.”

Making God’s dreams come true

We can all ask ourselves whether we put these works into practice, the Pope continued, emphasising Jesus’ words “I am here”; that is, Jesus is present in “the least of these.”

Speaking especially to young people, Pope Francis said, “Let us not give up on great dreams. Let us not settle only for what is necessary.” He reminded them that we are created “to make God’s dreams come true in this world.

Making great choices

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“Choosing life,” Pope Francis said, “means resisting the ‘throwaway culture’ and the desire to have everything now, in order to direct our lives towards the goal of heaven, towards God’s dreams.”

What is best for you?

Pope Francis had one final piece of advice for those striving for goodness and happiness. When making daily choices, we must ask ourselves not, “What do I feel like doing,” but rather, “What is best for me?” This, the Pope said, is the question the Holy Spirit places in hearts.

“This interior discernment can result either in frivolous choices, or in decisions that shape our lives," Pope Francis said in conclusion. “Let us look to Jesus and ask Him for the courage to choose what is best for us, to enable us to follow Him in the way of love. And in this way, we discover joy.”

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'Migration is not a threat to Christianity,' says Pope Francis
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Pope Francis delivers his speech as he celebrates Mass on the occasion of the Christ the King festivity, in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican, Sunday, Nov. 22, 2020. (Copyright Vincenzo Pinto/AP)

Pope Francis, a strong advocate of the rights of refugees, said in a new book published on Monday that migration does not pose a threat to Christianity.

"To reject a struggling migrant, whatever his or her religious belief, out of fear of diluting a 'Christian' culture is grotesquely mispresenting both Christianity and culture," he said.

"Migration is not a threat to Christianity except in the minds of those who benefit from claiming it is.

"To promote the Gospel and not welcome the strangers in need, nor affirm their humanity as children of God, is to seek to encourage a culture that is Christian in name only, emptied of all that makes it distinctive."

The pontiff made the comments in Let Us Dream, a new book written in conversation with British biographer Austen Ivereigh.

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"The dignity of our peoples demands safe corridors for migrants and refugees so they can move without fear from deadly areas to safer ones," he said in the book.

"It is unacceptable to deter immigration by letting hundreds of migrants die in perilous sea crossings or desert treks. The Lord will ask us to account for each one of those deaths."

He condemned leaders who "channel their resentments and hatreds against imagined enemies to distract from the real problems", the 83-year-old pontiff wrote.

"A fantasy of national-populism in countries with Christian majorities is its defence of 'Christian civilisation' from perceived enemies, whether Islam, Jews, the European Un𝗂on or the United Nations," he said.

"The defence appeals to those who are often no longer religious but who regard their nation’s inheritance as a kind of identity.

"Their fears and loss of identity have increased at the same time as attendance at churches has declined," Francis said.

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Religious leaders must offer example of respect, cooperation, pope says
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Pope Francis leads his general audience in the library of the Apostolic Palace at the Vatican Nov. 18, 2020. (Credit: CNS photo/Vatican Media)

ROME — Conflict and violence in the world will never end if people do not fully understand their responsibility to each other as members of one human family, Pope Francis said in a written message.

“In light of this, the Christian churches, together with other religious traditions, have a primary duty to offer an example of dialogue, mutual respect and practical cooperation,” he said in the message to Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople.

“With profound gratitude to God, I have experienced this fraternity at first hand in the various encounters we have shared,” he told the Orthodox patriarch.

Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, delivered the message to the patriarch in Istanbul Nov. 30 during services to mark the feast of St. Andrew the Apostle, the patriarchate’s patron saint. The cardinal led a Vatican delegation to Istanbul to take part in the Divine Liturgy presided over by the patriarch.

St. Andrew’s charity, apostolic zeal and perseverance are a “source of encouragement in these difficult and critical times,” the pope said.

“Giving glory to God also strengthens our faith and hope in the one who welcomed into eternal life the holy martyr Andrew, whose faith endured in time of trial,” he said.

The world is facing numerous trials right now, the pope said. “Together with the challenges posed by the current pandemic, war continues to afflict many parts of the world, while new armed conflicts emerge to steal the lives of countless men and women.”

The many efforts by national and international entities to promote peace “are useful and necessary, yet conflict and violence will never cease until all people reach a deeper awareness that they have a mutual responsibility as brothers and sisters,” he said.

With this in mind, he said, religious leaders have an important responsibility to offer the world a good example.

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Diocese of immigrants hosts sculpture depicting movement of migrants [In-Depth]
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"Angels Unawares," a replica of the artwork that sits in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican, is unveiled Dec. 8, 2020, in front of the public Christmas tree put up by the Diocese of Brooklyn, N.Y., at Grand Army Plaza. (Credit: Ed Wilkinson/The Tablet via CNS.)

BROOKLYN, New York — The diocese of immigrants is temporarily the home of a sculpture depicting the movement of migrants.

“Angels Unawares,” a replica of the artwork that sits in St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican, was unveiled Dec. 8 by Brooklyn Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio and placed in front of the diocese’s public Christmas tree at Grand Army Plaza.

The sculpture sits in place of the traditional Nativity creche in front of the historic Soldiers and Sailors Memorial Arch. The 35-foot tree is adorned with 14,000 lights, making an impressive site in the middle of Brooklyn’s busiest traffic circle.

The artwork was designed by Canadian artist Timothy Schmalz and depicts a raft packed with more than 140 migrants and refugees representing the diverse waves of immigration through history.

There are Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, a Polish woman running from the communist regime, a Cherokee on the Trail of Tears, an Irish boy escaping the potato famine, and the Holy Family of Nazareth. St. Francis Xavier Cabrini, the patron saint of immigrants and best known as Mother Cabrini, also is depicted in the sculpture.

Angel wings are visible at the center, a symbol of the sacredness of the migrant and refugee.

The 20-foot-long, 12-foot-high, 3.8-ton reproduction has arrived in Brooklyn as part of its tour of the United States. The bronze artwork has made stops in San Antonio and South Bend, Indiana, and at Boston College. It will be on display at Grand Army Plaza until Jan. 3 and will be permanently installed next year at The Catholic University of America in Washington.

It takes its title from Hebrews 13:2: “Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.”

DiMarzio, an international expert on migration policy, called it “a symbol of what we want to be, what we have been in the past and what the future holds for us if we hold to our values as Americans.”

“This has truly been a land where everyone has a stake, where everyone can have a place in this great country,” added the bishop.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who assisted with the unveiling, said the statue recognizes “the goodness in all of us, the angels, the people who do good among us.”

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The visit of the artwork was made possible by generous donations from Hildamarie and Alexander Ladouceur, the Catholic Foundation of Brooklyn and Queens, and the DeSales Media Group. The unveiling was shown live on NET-TV, the 24-hour Brooklyn diocesan cable network.

Msgr. Jamie Gigantiello, vicar for development, said the sculpture represents a fitting tribute to Bishop DiMarzio’s 50-year ministry to migrants and refugees.

“People love to see a Nativity scene depicting the birth of Jesus with the sheep and the animals. (But) we forget that when everything is over, the Holy Family flees as well,” said Gigantiello. “This sculpture reminds all of us that Jesus, Mary and Joseph (are) refugees, migrants, just like all of us in the boat of life together on a journey.”

He said it signifies “the story of Brooklyn and Queens, of our ancestors, of all who have passed through Ellis Island, the story of all those who have passed over our borders for a better life than the one they left behind.”

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This is Wosbald’s other shitting hole.
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I continue being fascinated that people are shocked that conservatives don't vote for non-conservatives.

STOP THE PRESSES! Conservatives who don't go to church and Conservatives who do go to church both voted for the conservative ticket!!!
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tuttle wrote:
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I continue being fascinated that people are shocked that conservatives don't vote for non-conservatives.

STOP THE PRESSES! Conservatives who don't go to church and Conservatives who do go to church both voted for the conservative ticket!!!
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The first law of holes, or the law of holes, is an adage which states: "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".[1][2] Digging a hole makes it deeper and therefore harder to get out of, which is used as a metaphor that when in an untenable position, it is best to stop carrying on and exacerbating the situation.

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Post by hugodrax » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:29 am

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Post by tuttle » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:32 am

wosbald wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:14 am
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tuttle wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:01 am
wosbald wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:41 am

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I continue being fascinated that people are shocked that conservatives don't vote for non-conservatives.

STOP THE PRESSES! Conservatives who don't go to church and Conservatives who do go to church both voted for the conservative ticket!!!
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The first law of holes, or the law of holes, is an adage which states: "if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging".[1][2] Digging a hole makes it deeper and therefore harder to get out of, which is used as a metaphor that when in an untenable position, it is best to stop carrying on and exacerbating the situation.

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I don't know if the digging a hole reference was to me or to conservatives voting for Trump. But this isn't a "good encapsulation of how politics matters more than religion" as put forward in the tweet. It's a tea-reading assumption that Trump is something more than the conservative option on the ticket against an opponent whose party has accelerated its hatred against conservative Christians.

Nothing wrong with tea-reading or reading between the lines, but the assumption is wrong. An easier read on this might be, conservative Christians don't like pro-abortion policies and want more pro-life policies enacted by Trump.
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Post by gaining_age » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:36 am

hugodrax wrote:
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This is Wosbald’s other shitting hole.
We had pages of excellent stuff.... and it went down the crapper.

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Subject Header: Viganò/QAnon/Deep State/Deep Church
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"Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism": pg 4 / pg 6 / pg 6 / pg6 / pg 6 / pg 8

"I'm Starting to Like This Pope": pg 63 / pg 64 / pg 65 / pg 65 / pg 66 / pg 66 / pg 73 / pg 84 / pg 120 / pg 123 / pg 124 / pg 124 / pg 124 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 125 / pg 126 / pg 127 / pg 127 / pg 128 / pg 128 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131




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Subject Header: Economic Magisterium/Integral Ecology/Fratelli Tutti
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"Pro-life Bills/Laws": pg 15
"The Climate Change Thread": pg 14 / pg 14
"I'm Starting to Like This Pope": pg 65 / pg 121 / pg 121 / pg 122 / pg 127 / pg 128 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 130 / pg 130 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 132



Francis urges world leaders to reduce military spending in 2021 peace message
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Pope Francis leads his general audience in the library of the Apostolic Palace at the Vatican Dec. 16. (CNS/Vatican Media)

Rome — Pope Francis urges global governments in his message for 2021's World Day of Peace to shift spending away from military needs in order to help those experiencing poverty and to provide better healthcare to their populations.

In the message, released Dec. 17, the pontiff laments the continuing number of violent conflicts around the world, saying that many places "can no longer remember a time when they dwelt in security and peace."

The pope reiterates a suggestion from his latest encyclical letter, Fratelli Tutti, that world leaders create a new "global fund," where they could deposit money that used to be spent on military resources for distribution toward peaceful purposes.

"We need to stop and ask ourselves what has led our world to see conflict as something normal, and how our hearts can be converted and our ways of thinking changed, in order to work for true peace in solidarity and fraternity," writes the pope.

"How many resources are spent on weaponry, especially nuclear weapons, that could be used for more significant priorities such as ensuring the safety of individuals, the promotion of peace and integral human development, the fight against poverty, and the provision of health care," Francis asks.

Francis' message for the World Day of Peace is the 54th prepared by a Catholic pope. It carries the theme: "A Culture of Care as a Path to Peace." The text will be officially sent out Jan. 1, the Catholic feast day for the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God.

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The 2021 message unfolds over five pages and nine brief points, in which the pope also proposes that global leaders could use Catholic teachings on the common good, solidarity and care for creation as a "compass" in helping address long-standing social inequalities.

Using Catholic teachings in such a way, Francis says, "will enable us to esteem the value and dignity of every person, to act together in solidarity for the common good, and to bring relief to those suffering from poverty, disease, slavery, armed conflicts, and discrimination."

"I ask everyone to take this compass in hand and to become a prophetic witness of the culture of care, working to overcome the many existing social inequalities," the pope writes.

Francis has proposed creation of a new "global fund" for the deposit of money spent on military needs at several points throughout 2020. He referred to the matter in his encyclical, released Oct. 4, as well as during an Oct. 16 message to the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organization for World Food Day.

The pope mentions the ongoing pandemic at the beginning of his new message, saying he is thinking of those who have lost loved ones and of the health care workers who "have made, and are continuing to make, great sacrifices to be present to the sick, to alleviate their sufferings and to save their lives."

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Post by ChildOfGod » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:53 am

Pope Francis seems to think that governments make money.

I think he's mistaken in that.
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Pope Francis seems to think that governments make money.

I think he's mistaken in that.
Have you read Fratelli Tutti? Or paid attention to the work of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development?

Cuz it would seem hard for anyone who's read Fratelli Tutti to come to the conclusion that the Pope thinks that any "thing" other than People make money.

People who are part of the "Government Sector". People who are part of the "Private Sector".

People make money. 💵🏦💰

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Post by ChildOfGod » Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:37 am

wosbald wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:13 am
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ChildOfGod wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:53 am
Pope Francis seems to think that governments make money.

I think he's mistaken in that.
Have you read Fratelli Tutti? Or paid attention to the work of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development?

Cuz it would seem hard for anyone who's read Fratelli Tutti to come to the conclusion that the Pope thinks that any "thing" other than People make money.

People who are part of the "Government Sector". People who are part of the "Private Sector".

People make money. 💵🏦💰
No, I haven’t. Nor do I presume to know his heart, but it would seem far more charitable, to me, for governments, to give unspent money back to the people from whom the money was taken, and let the original makers of wealth redistribute their own funds as they feel led.
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Post by wosbald » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:08 pm

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ChildOfGod wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 11:37 am
wosbald wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:13 am
ChildOfGod wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:53 am
Pope Francis seems to think that governments make money.

I think he's mistaken in that.
Have you read Fratelli Tutti? Or paid attention to the work of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development?

Cuz it would seem hard for anyone who's read Fratelli Tutti to come to the conclusion that the Pope thinks that any "thing" other than People make money.

People who are part of the "Government Sector". People who are part of the "Private Sector".

People make money. 💵🏦💰
No, I haven’t. Nor do I presume to know his heart, but it would seem far more charitable, to me, for governments, to give unspent money back to the people from whom the money was taken, and let the original makers of wealth redistribute their own funds as they feel led.
Sounds to me like someone just earned themselves a reading assignment.

An assignment which merely requires one to assimilate ideas rather than to plumb the depths of another's "heart".

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hugodrax wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:20 am
This is Wosbald’s other shitting hole.
CPS is ibid

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Post by ChildOfGod » Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:19 pm

AFRS wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:19 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:20 am
This is Wosbald’s other shitting hole.
CPS is ibid
This thread is not going the way of the OP's intent ;)
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Post by Del » Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:05 pm

ChildOfGod wrote:
Sun Dec 20, 2020 2:19 pm
AFRS wrote:
Sat Dec 19, 2020 4:19 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:20 am
This is Wosbald’s other shitting hole.
CPS is ibid
This thread is not going the way of the OP's intent ;)
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