## What Are You Working On?

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:55 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:32 am
Well, I had upgraded my old 2010 macbook pro-- 8GB memory and SSD drive... I then bought foot pads and put them on carefully following the directions.

It had been working very well as my main writing laptop and I was enjoying running windows through Parallels and writing and working, etc.

Well, not long ago one of the pads sheared off again. I was not as careful at fixing it and had my wife help me with applying superglue. The next morning I opened up to use it and found some color problems with my display. Sadly, my haste and lack of care had cause some damage to the video connection.

I figured maybe I could look up replacement for the laptop. OOh.... looks like I could find a reasonable priced 2 year improvement (compatible with my upgraded SSD)-- so I bought a 16GB 2012 (quad core! rather than dual core) and planned to swap in my SSD.

It arrived last night and I booted it up and it met my specs-- same matte display as my 2010 and 16GB reported. It has some updated/new applications included so I did a migrate to the 2010 that had the SSD in it.

I then "started surgery" on the two laptops to move the drives between them. It reminded me of "The man with two brains" (screw top method of brain surgery)

however, the new 2012 computer is still in a coma. It won't start. I'm not sure what happened. The 2010 is working with either HD-- the SSD or the one swapped from the 2012. I didn't do anything different.

I've scheduled a visit to the Apple store. I may be without my writing laptop a while longer ... it could be a board issue. We'll see what the say, how much, and how long.

(FredS..... just think of this as me working on a car and replacing a carb in a classic and it not turning over).
Check the fuel filter. Sometimes junk gets broken lose and plugs up the filter when you swap SSID's.
Engine block was replaced.... and then the found the battery/alternator were flaky. Waiting for parts to come in was the hardest part. But it's back now and working well except the left shift key which I do use a LOT. The key is a slight bit wonky but generally works.

It's a nimble little beasty now. Got the RPMs, MPHs, mpgs and torque I was wanting.

Get some WD 40 or 3-in-1 oil and shoot it in the slot to free up that sticky key, then give it a couple sharp raps with a small hammer. If it gets stuck overnight when it cools down you can pour some hot (not boiling) water over it.
ball peen?
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

gaining_age wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:06 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:55 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:32 am
Well, I had upgraded my old 2010 macbook pro-- 8GB memory and SSD drive... I then bought foot pads and put them on carefully following the directions.

It had been working very well as my main writing laptop and I was enjoying running windows through Parallels and writing and working, etc.

Well, not long ago one of the pads sheared off again. I was not as careful at fixing it and had my wife help me with applying superglue. The next morning I opened up to use it and found some color problems with my display. Sadly, my haste and lack of care had cause some damage to the video connection.

I figured maybe I could look up replacement for the laptop. OOh.... looks like I could find a reasonable priced 2 year improvement (compatible with my upgraded SSD)-- so I bought a 16GB 2012 (quad core! rather than dual core) and planned to swap in my SSD.

It arrived last night and I booted it up and it met my specs-- same matte display as my 2010 and 16GB reported. It has some updated/new applications included so I did a migrate to the 2010 that had the SSD in it.

I then "started surgery" on the two laptops to move the drives between them. It reminded me of "The man with two brains" (screw top method of brain surgery)

however, the new 2012 computer is still in a coma. It won't start. I'm not sure what happened. The 2010 is working with either HD-- the SSD or the one swapped from the 2012. I didn't do anything different.

I've scheduled a visit to the Apple store. I may be without my writing laptop a while longer ... it could be a board issue. We'll see what the say, how much, and how long.

(FredS..... just think of this as me working on a car and replacing a carb in a classic and it not turning over).
Check the fuel filter. Sometimes junk gets broken lose and plugs up the filter when you swap SSID's.
Engine block was replaced.... and then the found the battery/alternator were flaky. Waiting for parts to come in was the hardest part. But it's back now and working well except the left shift key which I do use a LOT. The key is a slight bit wonky but generally works.

It's a nimble little beasty now. Got the RPMs, MPHs, mpgs and torque I was wanting.

Get some WD 40 or 3-in-1 oil and shoot it in the slot to free up that sticky key, then give it a couple sharp raps with a small hammer. If it gets stuck overnight when it cools down you can pour some hot (not boiling) water over it.
ball peen?
That oughta do it. If not you can use a 3lb engineers hammer. (There really is such a thing.)
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:15 am
gaining_age wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:06 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:55 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:32 am
Well, I had upgraded my old 2010 macbook pro-- 8GB memory and SSD drive... I then bought foot pads and put them on carefully following the directions.

It had been working very well as my main writing laptop and I was enjoying running windows through Parallels and writing and working, etc.

Well, not long ago one of the pads sheared off again. I was not as careful at fixing it and had my wife help me with applying superglue. The next morning I opened up to use it and found some color problems with my display. Sadly, my haste and lack of care had cause some damage to the video connection.

I figured maybe I could look up replacement for the laptop. OOh.... looks like I could find a reasonable priced 2 year improvement (compatible with my upgraded SSD)-- so I bought a 16GB 2012 (quad core! rather than dual core) and planned to swap in my SSD.

It arrived last night and I booted it up and it met my specs-- same matte display as my 2010 and 16GB reported. It has some updated/new applications included so I did a migrate to the 2010 that had the SSD in it.

I then "started surgery" on the two laptops to move the drives between them. It reminded me of "The man with two brains" (screw top method of brain surgery)

however, the new 2012 computer is still in a coma. It won't start. I'm not sure what happened. The 2010 is working with either HD-- the SSD or the one swapped from the 2012. I didn't do anything different.

I've scheduled a visit to the Apple store. I may be without my writing laptop a while longer ... it could be a board issue. We'll see what the say, how much, and how long.

(FredS..... just think of this as me working on a car and replacing a carb in a classic and it not turning over).
Check the fuel filter. Sometimes junk gets broken lose and plugs up the filter when you swap SSID's.
Engine block was replaced.... and then the found the battery/alternator were flaky. Waiting for parts to come in was the hardest part. But it's back now and working well except the left shift key which I do use a LOT. The key is a slight bit wonky but generally works.

It's a nimble little beasty now. Got the RPMs, MPHs, mpgs and torque I was wanting.

Get some WD 40 or 3-in-1 oil and shoot it in the slot to free up that sticky key, then give it a couple sharp raps with a small hammer. If it gets stuck overnight when it cools down you can pour some hot (not boiling) water over it.
ball peen?
That oughta do it. If not you can use a 3lb engineers hammer. (There really is such a thing.)
They are used for fixing difficult equations.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

coco wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:17 pm
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:15 am
gaining_age wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:06 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:55 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:32 am
Well, I had upgraded my old 2010 macbook pro-- 8GB memory and SSD drive... I then bought foot pads and put them on carefully following the directions.

It had been working very well as my main writing laptop and I was enjoying running windows through Parallels and writing and working, etc.

Well, not long ago one of the pads sheared off again. I was not as careful at fixing it and had my wife help me with applying superglue. The next morning I opened up to use it and found some color problems with my display. Sadly, my haste and lack of care had cause some damage to the video connection.

I figured maybe I could look up replacement for the laptop. OOh.... looks like I could find a reasonable priced 2 year improvement (compatible with my upgraded SSD)-- so I bought a 16GB 2012 (quad core! rather than dual core) and planned to swap in my SSD.

It arrived last night and I booted it up and it met my specs-- same matte display as my 2010 and 16GB reported. It has some updated/new applications included so I did a migrate to the 2010 that had the SSD in it.

I then "started surgery" on the two laptops to move the drives between them. It reminded me of "The man with two brains" (screw top method of brain surgery)

however, the new 2012 computer is still in a coma. It won't start. I'm not sure what happened. The 2010 is working with either HD-- the SSD or the one swapped from the 2012. I didn't do anything different.

I've scheduled a visit to the Apple store. I may be without my writing laptop a while longer ... it could be a board issue. We'll see what the say, how much, and how long.

(FredS..... just think of this as me working on a car and replacing a carb in a classic and it not turning over).
Check the fuel filter. Sometimes junk gets broken lose and plugs up the filter when you swap SSID's.
Engine block was replaced.... and then the found the battery/alternator were flaky. Waiting for parts to come in was the hardest part. But it's back now and working well except the left shift key which I do use a LOT. The key is a slight bit wonky but generally works.

It's a nimble little beasty now. Got the RPMs, MPHs, mpgs and torque I was wanting.

Get some WD 40 or 3-in-1 oil and shoot it in the slot to free up that sticky key, then give it a couple sharp raps with a small hammer. If it gets stuck overnight when it cools down you can pour some hot (not boiling) water over it.
ball peen?
That oughta do it. If not you can use a 3lb engineers hammer. (There really is such a thing.)
They are used for fixing difficult equations.
Sturm-Louiville as an example...
$\boxed{\mathcal{L}u_n(x) \equiv \d{ }{x} \left [ p(x)\d{u_n(x)}{x} \right ] -q(x)u_n(x) =-\lambda_n \rho(x)u_n(x)}$
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2:6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus walked
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

gaining_age wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:29 pm
coco wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:17 pm
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:15 am
gaining_age wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:06 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:49 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:51 am
FredS wrote:
Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:55 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:32 am
Well, I had upgraded my old 2010 macbook pro-- 8GB memory and SSD drive... I then bought foot pads and put them on carefully following the directions.

It had been working very well as my main writing laptop and I was enjoying running windows through Parallels and writing and working, etc.

Well, not long ago one of the pads sheared off again. I was not as careful at fixing it and had my wife help me with applying superglue. The next morning I opened up to use it and found some color problems with my display. Sadly, my haste and lack of care had cause some damage to the video connection.

I figured maybe I could look up replacement for the laptop. OOh.... looks like I could find a reasonable priced 2 year improvement (compatible with my upgraded SSD)-- so I bought a 16GB 2012 (quad core! rather than dual core) and planned to swap in my SSD.

It arrived last night and I booted it up and it met my specs-- same matte display as my 2010 and 16GB reported. It has some updated/new applications included so I did a migrate to the 2010 that had the SSD in it.

I then "started surgery" on the two laptops to move the drives between them. It reminded me of "The man with two brains" (screw top method of brain surgery)

however, the new 2012 computer is still in a coma. It won't start. I'm not sure what happened. The 2010 is working with either HD-- the SSD or the one swapped from the 2012. I didn't do anything different.

I've scheduled a visit to the Apple store. I may be without my writing laptop a while longer ... it could be a board issue. We'll see what the say, how much, and how long.

(FredS..... just think of this as me working on a car and replacing a carb in a classic and it not turning over).
Check the fuel filter. Sometimes junk gets broken lose and plugs up the filter when you swap SSID's.
Engine block was replaced.... and then the found the battery/alternator were flaky. Waiting for parts to come in was the hardest part. But it's back now and working well except the left shift key which I do use a LOT. The key is a slight bit wonky but generally works.

It's a nimble little beasty now. Got the RPMs, MPHs, mpgs and torque I was wanting.

Get some WD 40 or 3-in-1 oil and shoot it in the slot to free up that sticky key, then give it a couple sharp raps with a small hammer. If it gets stuck overnight when it cools down you can pour some hot (not boiling) water over it.
ball peen?
That oughta do it. If not you can use a 3lb engineers hammer. (There really is such a thing.)
They are used for fixing difficult equations.
Sturm-Louiville as an example...
$\boxed{\mathcal{L}u_n(x) \equiv \d{ }{x} \left [ p(x)\d{u_n(x)}{x} \right ] -q(x)u_n(x) =-\lambda_n \rho(x)u_n(x)}$
I often tutor in the afternoons. If a student brings that one in, I'm going to have to hit it with a hammer.

Fun fact for Jocose: I looked up "engineer's hammer." It appears that a mini-sledge (not a ball peen) was often part of a steam locomotive driver's toolkit, hence the name.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

Today I need to finish writing a book review on Mahoney's The Idol of Our Age
Perform some overdue maintenance on my camera
Conjure up my daughter's college tuition
Take a walk down Christmas Tree Lane
and play with the terrier,
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

JMG wrote:We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

Kwila is pretty wood...
Looks nice to me!

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

JMG wrote:We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

Kwila is pretty wood...
No TV? Just sit on the table and watch the couch.

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

joegoat wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:37 am
JMG wrote:We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

Kwila is pretty wood...
No TV? Just sit on the table and watch the couch.

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We just watch stuff on the computer. I have one of those mini projectors too we use for family nights.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

6 estate pipes arrived in yesterday's mail and upon my first look and assessment thought, now what on earth can I do with these? Five of them were badly in need of rescue/ care. I wished that I had made a before pic of them but truth be told I was a little discouraged and doubted whether after pictures would show any real difference. But, as I have been steadily moving along on them, remarkably they are now showing some real promise.I keep gazing over at the ones that are done and am very pleased.

So, later today, or tomorrow I will post pics of the 6.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

JMG wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:41 am
joegoat wrote:
Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:37 am
JMG wrote:We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

Kwila is pretty wood...
No TV? Just sit on the table and watch the couch.

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We just watch stuff on the computer. I have one of those mini projectors too we use for family nights.
Love you, man. No lie. Love you.

Cool stuff.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

Dishwasher. It won't drain properly.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

coco wrote:Dishwasher. It won't drain properly.
Been there before. I couldn't figure out where the six inches of off-white sludge was comming from. I finally figured out that my lovely wife was pouring beef grease down the drain and it would flow down the dishwasher drain from the garbage disposal. That was a nasty plug to remove...

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

JMG wrote:We've been living in one of our mission doc's house while they are on furlough. However, we'll be moving into a different flat shortly after Christmas. It's unfurnished so I've been making some stuff. Nothing nice, just stuff. Here's a TV table. Well...we don't have a TV here, so I guess it's just a table.

Kwila is pretty wood...
We dont have a tv either and haven't for years. We've an old laptop loaded with Linux Mint that we watch DVDs on.

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

FredS wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:12 am
Building a workbench. I like 3/4" MDF for the tops of workbenches, but man, that stuff is nasty to cut. I breathed in a few lungs full before I decided to put on a mask. I'm still smelling it 12 hours later.

One of the best things about drawing lines and circles at my day job is that I can search the web for ideas and inspiration then knock out my own set of plans in an hour or so.

Feature creep is a real thing. A few weeks ago I decided I needed a heavy duty workbench. Just a simple deal is all. Something I can really beat on. Then I say "Well hey, I'll have some plywood left, so why not add a drawer or two?" Or nine.

I'm pleased with it though. Lots of room for small tools, chisels, files, drill and taps, sandpaper, brushes, and such.

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

Only 5 flights tonight! Woot woot!

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

FredS wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:21 pm
FredS wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:12 am
Building a workbench. I like 3/4" MDF for the tops of workbenches, but man, that stuff is nasty to cut. I breathed in a few lungs full before I decided to put on a mask. I'm still smelling it 12 hours later.

One of the best things about drawing lines and circles at my day job is that I can search the web for ideas and inspiration then knock out my own set of plans in an hour or so.

Feature creep is a real thing. A few weeks ago I decided I needed a heavy duty workbench. Just a simple deal is all. Something I can really beat on. Then I say "Well hey, I'll have some plywood left, so why not add a drawer or two?" Or nine.

I'm pleased with it though. Lots of room for small tools, chisels, files, drill and taps, sandpaper, brushes, and such.

That sets off my covet alarm something fierce. Nicely done.
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### Re: What Are You Working On?

What am I working on? Bach. Lute suite no. 4 in E major. I learned it in college, haven't played it since. It is now kicking my butt once again.

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### Re: What Are You Working On?

Changing over some push button light switches to rockers. The rockers have an extra ground. What the---- are they kidding me?
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