Yes, yes, yes - I'm necroing a rather old thread. Please do try to sue me - we both know it'd be frivolous and I'll change your Moniker to something that will shame you For the Ages.ATexanLostinVirginia wrote:I was just going off of memory - from a flyer at the Richmond Pipe Show that I saw in 2008 or 2009!? So, I'm sure you're correct.adauria wrote:ATexanLostinVirginia wrote:I hadn't heard of the WHO study, but of one done by the Surgeon General of the U.S. in 1971adauria wrote:Anecdotally, I find (and I'm sure many others are with me) a massive reduction in stress while smoking. Considering stress probably causes or exacerbates 90% of the health problems modern man suffers from, I'd say that's a pretty big benefit.
There was a WHO study from 1960 that showed pipe smokes live longer than non-smokers. I attribute this to the stress reduction. I don't think any other studies have shown anything similar, but then again I can't think of any that looked at pipe smokers as a distinct group from "smokers."
I'm clearly confused.... I think it is the SG's report I'm thinking of, though a quick google shows 1964. Could be wrong.
Anecdotally I ran into a reference of sorts to this earlier today on thePeterson Pipe's Facebook page of something like:
So this is indeed from the 1964 Report which I can't say I'd trust all that much, given that time of Political/Industrial influences and the maturity of the Medical Arts.Life expectancy for Pipe Smokers:
Okay, sit down for this…. A US Surgeon General report “Smoking and Health” (No. 1103, page 112) noted, “Death rates for current pipe smokers were little if at all higher than for non-smokers, even with men smoking 10 pipefuls per day and with men who had smoked pipes for more than 30 years.” On page 92 the report also stated, “Pipe smokers who inhale live as long as nonsmokers and pipe smokers that don’t inhale live longer than non-smokers.
What? Life expectancy for pipe smokers is three years longer than… Non-Smokers! Just try to use that argument with an anti-smoking activist! Of course this is not to encourage people to smoke, but has more to do with the personality of a typical pipe smoker. Most are type “B” where most cigarette smokers are type “A”. So a pipe smoker, on average, is a more laid back person. Second, smoking a pipe is very relaxing. You just can’t be angry when you are smoking a pipe.
Cigars are also relaxing but it seems, not as much as pipes. Most cigarette smoking is not so much a relaxing experience as it is a need for nicotine.
The 2014 CDC report indicates there is a utter lack of data for non-cigarette smoking forms (Pipes, Hookah, snus/snuff, etc) so they aren't saying one way or another what the potential effect are. They reference the 1964, 2004 and 2014 Surgeon General's reports that pretty all much say "you know what - this all sucks so stop". However if you read some of the "how did we get this data" it's all anecdotal polling questions of users. That's probably why they don't have much in the way of data on Piping.
"So what's the point here Pepik". This: be careful using the old 1964 line in that quote above. It's old, it's questionable, and it's been updated twice over ... indirectly. Basically, don't think we have a definitive answer here to these sorts of arguments. What we do have is acknowledged "we do not have a friggin clue" coming from the CDC, outside of the indicators for second-hand smoke, Eye Diseases, Oral cavity and pharyngeal causal relationship with piping (see section 14.1 and forward in Chapter 14 in the 2014 report). Chapter 15 acknowledges that haven't the foggiest for any other tobacco use other than cigs based on data metrics.
Anyone else have more comparative reports for our particular chosen form of usage?