You give her coca and burn llama fetuses and food to her honor? Bullshite, bro.Thunktank wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:08 pmEastern Catholics do.hugodrax wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:47 pmKind and thoughtful and charitable and complete and total horsefeathers. Catholics prostrated themselves and sacrificed to her within the vatican and within consecrated churches. We do not do that before the Virgin Mary.wosbald wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:47 pm+JMJ+
Still Worried About Pachamama? Read Laudato Si’ [in-Depth, Opinion]
Mangrove and woodland near the Amazon river, by Cesar Paes Barreto, Wikimedia Commons
I know that papal documents are not easy reading. I also know we all have lots on the go, and it is hard to find the time to sit down and read and think for a couple hours. But this is crucial: if you are Catholic and worried about paganism having infiltrated the Church through the Amazon synod, but have not yet read Pope Francis’s 2015 encyclical Laudato Si’, please read it as soon as possible. Word On Fire has a lovely site devoted to it, at laudatosi.com. It contains a well-formatted PDF version of the text.
Some people are making much out of a prayer to Pachamama (an Incan fertility goddess, still worshipped by some in the Andes) that was found on a handout used in a church in Verona, for purposes unknown. On Twitter, I pointed out that this prayer was likely taken from a document created for the Amazon synod by the Missio Foundation, which is described on its website as a “pastoral body formed by the Italian Bishops’ Conference to support and promote, in collaboration with other organizations, the missionary dimension of the Church in Italy” (very rough translation). I suggested that the prayer be read in the context of the rest of the document, which provides a survey of the Indigenous cultures of the Amazon and issues affecting the Amazon region and its people, and places these within the framework of Laudato Si’. Providing this additional information does not seem to have helped, as the single page from the document with the prayer is now being shared as further proof of pagan infiltration, not just in that one church in Verona, but also within the Italian Bishops’ Conference.
But context and intent really do matter. Paying attention to context and intent is not a path to relativism; it is, in fact, how you can avoid mistaking your own private judgement for the unalterable truth. Read some sections of the Missio Foundation website (through whatever translation application you can find, if like me you don’t read Italian) in order to understand why they might have included that prayer in one of their documents. Read some of the document itself, which is located here (and the Pachamama prayer is on page 17, for those curious). At least do that, before judging.
After considering the context, which of the two following possibilities do you think is more likely?
I know my answer. If you still think the first possibility is more likely, I’ll say it again: read Laudato Si’.
- This Pachamama prayer was included as a means of introducing a demonic paganism into Catholicism, for the purpose of undermining and ultimately destroying the faith.
- This Pachamama prayer was included as an example of how Indigenous people in the Andes (and by extension, the Amazon) conceive of the natural world as Mother Earth, opening up a missionary path for inculturation in line with Laudato Si’.
We do not bow down or sacrifice to two pachamamas. Let he who has eyes see.
That’s the trouble with you darn Romans. You’ve been tainted by the Anabaptists and other anti-Catholic denominations too much. Y’all forgetting how to be Catholic!
Hey, someone had to say it. The old Wosbald would.
Read the whole sentence, maybe.