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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Del » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:32 am

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Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:40 pm
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Subject Header: Viganò/QAnon/Deep State/Deep Church/Alt-Left
Intra-Thread Trackbacks: pg 63 / pg 64 / pg 65 / pg 65 / pg 66 / pg 66 / pg 73 / pg 84 / pg 120 / pg 123 / pg 124 / pg 124 / pg 124 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 125 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 126 / pg 125 / pg 126 / pg 127 / pg 127 / pg 128 / pg 128 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 132 / pg 132 / pg 132 / pg 132 / pg 133 / pg 133 / pg 133 / pg 133

Inter-Thread Trackbacks:
"Two sides of the same coin?":pg 12 / pg 13
"Mary Alone": pg 18 / pg 20 /pg 20
"President Trump is a problem...": pg 38 / pg 46 / pg 46 / pg 46
"THE CATHOLIC THREAD": pg 152 / pg 152 / pg 152
"THE CHRISTIAN THREAD": pg 8 / pg 10 / pg 10
"Any QAnoners Here?": pg 5 / pg 5 / pg 5 / pg 5 / pg 5
"Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism": pg 4 / pg 5 / pg 6 / pg 6 / pg 6 / pg 6 / pg 8 / pg 8 / pg 9 / pg 9 / pg 9 / pg 9 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10
"Purely Politics II": pg 13 / pg 14 / pg 28 / pg 28 / pg 44 / pg 52 / pg 61 / pg 71 / pg 79 / pg 108 / pg 108



Cardinal: Too many Catholics don’t understand that some church teachings can actually change
For any last person who is still reading this thread:

This is Amerika Magazine, a publication by the American Jesuits. And so... it is always important to identify the thing is what the writer is leaving out.

The Jesuits are very pro-gay politics. The writer wants to lead their weak Catholic readers into thinking that it is okay to oppose Pope Francis and Catholic faith.

They want us to encourage homosexual acts and seek blessings for same-sex "marriage."

They do this by blurring the meaning of "teaching can change." Thus, lots of words around a very simple concept.

- Eternal teachings can develop. We can accept the teaching of the Apostles (and the Scriptures they wrote), and then study and understand them more fully. This sort of change is good and necessary.... it is the teaching authority of the Church.

The headline is false: Most Catholics know this.

- Eternal teachings cannot be reversed. Amerika and Fishwrap prey upon weak Catholics who do not understand this.
G.K. Chesterton — 'It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.'

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:14 am

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Subject Header: Capital Punishment/Death Penalty
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"Faith in the News": pg 121 / pg 123 / pg 123
"President Trump is a problem...": pg 27 / pg 35
"THE CHRISTIAN THREAD": pg 9 / pg 9 / pg 10 / pg 11



What Better Way to Celebrate the Defeat of Death Than by Celebrating the Defeat of the Death Penalty? [Opinion]
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On March 24, the eve of the Annunciation, when God entered the world to begin the work of destroying death — the veil that covers all the nations — the State of Virginia joined the civilized world by outlawing the death penalty to the delight of the Holy Spirit and the intense consternation of the Greatest Catholics of All Time, who lead the charge against Holy Church in the struggle to unnecessarily kill as many people as possible while bragging about being “prolife”. This is an even bigger deal because Virginia was the second biggest killer of prisoners in the United States.

There are two ways for Catholics to look at it. The first way — the sane way — is to rejoice that a stupid, barbaric practice has been abolished. It is a barbaric practice which:
  • offers four completely innocent human beings out of a hundred as human sacrifices to …
  • the bloodlust of vengeful MAGA conservatives consumed with lust for the blood of people who do not need to be killed …
  • (all while turning those MAGA conservatives into sworn enemies of the Church) in obedience to a false Magisterium of social media mini-popes …
  • and turning executioners into murderers of the innocent and unnecessarily brutal butchers of the guilty.
The second way is to babble “Something-something St. Thomas! Let’s keep killing because something-something tradition!”

Here’s the deal. The Magisterium, not some jackanapes in a paper mitre on Twitter, interprets the Tradition. The Church’s Magisterium has definitively called for the abolition of the death penalty, and your favorite Folk Hero preferring bloodlust and murder to mercy has absolutely no authority in the matter, even if he has a nice website and published his plea for death with Ignatius Press. It’s over. Roma locuta, causa finita est. More than this, St. Thomas would absolutely have your guts for garters if you ever pitted him against the developed teaching of the Church. St. Thomas also (like a typical Dominican of his day) rejected the Immaculate Conception (as did Third Order Dominican St Catherine of Siena).

Guess what? They were wrong, proving nothing more than the fact that even Michael Jordan misses layups sometimes. Invoking Thomas to attack the Magisterium over the death penalty is typical MAGA cafeteria Catholicism. It is not “prudential judgement” for the simple reason that it absolutely lacks Prudence. Prudential judgment is about how best — not whether — to obey the Church’s teaching. The Church says to abolish the death penalty. Our task is not to ask, “Really though?”. It is to ask what part we need to play to accomplish that mission.

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:29 am

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Subject Header: Economic Magisterium/Integral Ecology/Seamless Garment/Fratelli Tutti
Intra-Thread Trackbacks: pg 65 / pg 121 / pg 121 / pg 122 / pg 127 / pg 128 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 129 / pg 130 / pg 130 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 131 / pg 132 / pg 133 / pg 133

Inter-Thread Trackbacks:
"The Statement on Social Justice": pg 6
"Pro-life Bills/Laws": pg 15
"Evangelical Fundamentalism and Catholic Integralism": pg 9
"Economics": pg 6 / pg 6
"THE CATHOLIC THREAD": pg 119 / pg 119 / pg 119 / pg 119 / pg 150 / pg 150 / pg 151 / pg 151 / pg 151 / pg 151 / pg 153
"The Climate Change Thread": pg 14 / pg 14 / pg 15 / pg 16
"Biden has done a ['X'] job so far": pg 17 / pg 18
"THE CHRISTIAN THREAD": pg 8 / pg 8 / pg 9 / pg 9 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 10 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11 / pg 11



An inside look at how Pope Francis and the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar have revolutionized Catholic-Muslim relations [In-Depth]
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Pope Francis and Sheik Ahmad el-Tayeb, grand imam of Egypt's al-Azhar mosque and university, arrive for an interreligious meeting at the Founder's Memorial in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, Feb. 4, 2019. (CNS photo/Paul Haring)

What inspired Pope Francis and the grand imam of Al-Azhar, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayyeb, to write the Document on Human Fraternity, which they presented to the world in Abu Dhabi on Feb. 4, 2019? How did they co-write this document given that one lives in the Vatican and the other in Cairo? What is the background story to this first-ever text written by the leader of the Catholic Church and the head of the most prestigious and influential Islamic institute in the world?

The answers to these questions are found in the captivating new book The Pope and the Grand Imam: A Thorny Path, written by Judge Mohamed Abdel Salam. The book, published in Arabic and English, was written with the permission of both religious leaders, each of whom has written a preface for it. The Egyptian-born judge, former counselor and legal advisor to Sheikh Al-Tayyeb and the first Muslim ever to present a papal encyclical (Fratelli Tutti), was not only a witness to but also a key actor in the events surrounding the writing and publication of the text.

“I felt it was important to tell the story of the birth of the human fraternity document not only as a historical record but also as an inspiration for the younger generations,” the judge told America in an interview in Rome on April 9, the day after he had presented a copy to Pope Francis.

This fascinating 280-page book will be required reading for anyone interested in Muslim-Christian relations in the 21st century. It reveals the background to the extraordinary fraternal relationship between Pope Francis and Sheikh Al-Tayyeb, a relationship that is without precedent in the history of the world’s two largest religions.

The author is a married man, a father to three young children and a deeply religious Muslim. He begins the book by presenting himself, his education in Islam and law, and how he was chosen to be the trusted counselor and legal advisor to the grand imam. He summarizes the history of Al-Azhar and of Muslim-Christian relations from the time of the Prophet Mohammed’s first encounter with Christians to the present day.

Judge Abdel Salam provides brief portraits of both leaders that highlight how much they have in common: a simple lifestyle; concern for the poor and young people; the desire to break down barriers between people and nations; the rejection of rigidity, fundamentalism and the use of religion to support violence or terrorism; and the rejection of war and the arms race. Moreover, they deeply respect each other’s faith and view religion as a force for peace in the world.

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Judge Mohamed Abdel Salal presents ‘The Pope and the Grand Imam: A Thorny Path’ to Pope Francis at the Vatican on April 8. (Photo provided by Judge Mohamed Abdel Salam)

The judge also recalls that since Sheik Ahmad Al-Tayyeb assumed office as grand imam, he has been thinking about “how to promote truth, justice and the moderation of Islam and how to disseminate the culture of dialogue and tolerance in Egypt and among our brothers across the Arab region and our Muslim world, according to the approach of Al-Azhar.” He notes that Francis, too, has promoted a culture of encounter and dialogue.

From Benedict to Francis

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The First Meeting

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A Historic Embrace

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The book tells how before starting lunch, the pope asked the grand imam to pray to God for humanity and peace, and how Sheikh al-Tayyeb, in his turn, asked Francis to pray for the poor, the vulnerable and marginalized. Next, Judge Abdel Salam writes, “the Pope picked up a piece of bread and cut it in two halves. He took one half and gave the other half to the Grand Imam, so each of them ate his share, in a symbolic act of coexistence and human fraternity.”

During that two-and-a-half-hour lunch, the judge proposed that the pope and the grand imam build on the success of the peace conference by writing together a document on human fraternity to provide guidance to all people, especially the younger generations, and to point the path toward tolerance and peace. He proposed they both write and sign it and then together present it to the world. Both leaders liked the idea and gave it their blessing. They entrusted the task of coordinating the project to the judge together with Monsignor Yoannis and insisted that the whole venture be kept confidential until it was completed and ready to be made public.

Drafting the Document

The grand imam started working on a draft text, but he insisted that the judge should not tell the pope that he had written it so that he would feel totally free to change whatever he wished. Judge Abdel Salam gave the draft text to Monsignor Yoannis, who handed it to Francis. The pope revised and amended the text, and the judge took the revised draft to the grand imam, who was truly pleased with the pope’s input. Sheikh al-Tayyeb worked on the second draft, and Francis again gave his input, and so on until the text was finalized. No one outside these four persons knew about the text until it was completed.

While the drafting process was underway, Judge Abdel Salam met Pope Francis again on April 17, 2018, and proposed something that he had already discussed with the grand imam, namely that Francis should visit the Gulf region, starting with the United Arab Emirates, “a country that has chosen the path of tolerance since it was founded” and “has established houses of worship for all the followers of different religions living in the land and supported them without discrimination.”

He explained, moreover, that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed of Abu Dhabi had provided much support for Al-Azhar and the reform and intellectual efforts of the grand imam. He suggested that the pope and the grand imam travel to Abu Dhabi to present to the world the human fraternity document. Francis welcomed the idea but said he needed to consult Vatican officials.

The grand imam came to Italy again in October 2018 to receive an academic award from the University of Bologna and, accompanied by the judge, visited Pope Francis. It was their fourth meeting. They discussed the human fraternity document, which they called “our joint project,” and the possibility of launching it in the U.A.E. in February. Francis told Sheikh al-Tayyeb, “I strongly believe in this project and in its importance for the service of humanity.” He and the grand imam agreed on the importance of maintaining the confidentiality of the entire project “to avoid anyone hindering it in any way.”

The Pope in Abu Dhabi

As was widely reported at the time, and as the book tells in detail, Pope Francis and the grand imam made history when they presented the Document on Human Fraternity in Abu Dhabi.

Significantly, in their speeches, they both explicitly thanked Judge Abdel Salam, who played a crucial role in bringing that document to birth but had to watch from afar as the two religious leaders signed it. After the ceremony, as they drove back to the palace where they were staying, and before going to dinner with the crown prince, the pope asked Monsignor Yoannis to phone the judge. Francis and Sheikh al-Tayyeb then spoke to him and thanked the judge for all he had done to make this dream come true. It was their way of standing by him.

The book goes on to recount many things that have happened since the Abu Dhabi ceremony, including the establishment of the Abrahamic Family House, a religious complex in Abu Dhabi that includes a mosque, a church and a synagogue; the creation of The Higher Committee for Human Fraternity of which the judge is the secretary general; and the sixth meeting between the pope and the grand imam at the Vatican in November 2019.

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"[T]he emergency of irregular migration has to be met with justice, solidarity and mercy. Forms of collective expulsion, which do not allow for the suitable treatment of individual cases, are unacceptable."
— Pope Francis, Morocco

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