Look at Bob's last post. I'm not at all familiar with doctrine. You are presuming my pov is like yours. So Popes preceding him seem to be very remote figures and all I gathered is that they represent some technical doctrine. But it is a doctrine that is foreign to me. To a very large degree CPS is responsible for my reading documents from previous Popes etc.FredS wrote:You're an odd duck Rusty - as evidenced by the fact that you spend so much time here on CPS. But really, how do you separate the man from the doctrine in this case? As Pope, he represents the doctrine. He's the face of the RCC. If he were not, you wouldn't even know his name. Can you really somehow separate him from it in your mind, or do you just pretend he doesn't stand on the doctrine that is his church? It seems like his 'appeal' is a very thin veil and you chose not to hold it up to the light or look behind it.Rusty wrote:I hope it's not true. Let the romance continue. The man has a great deal of appeal. He's a likeable character and not just a remote figure. This is not about doctrine for me.Del wrote:They imagine that the Pope can change Catholic faith, and they hope that he will do so. Basically, they are looking for the Pope to give permissions for all of the favorite sins of this age.UncleBob wrote:Frankly, I hope that is true but I doubt there is a conspiracy. All this media attention does point to a need or desire of the world for a pope to do something. I am not yet sure what that something is, but I think it is good news for the RCC.Del wrote:I hope it will be that easy.FredS wrote:Sooo, a couple of weeks ago I was on retreat with the Benedictine Monks at Conception Abbey. One morning when we were eating breakfast Father Albert stopped by our table to visit. One of the ladies in our non-Catholic group commented about the new Pope and all the good press he was getting. I said there will come a time when he does or says something that the press doesn't like and the honeymoon will be over. Father Albert - a normally well spoken man - nodded and said 'You got that right'.
I think there is a conspiracy already in place. The secular media failed to paint Benedict as a nasty old Nazi. So this time, they intend to tell Francis and the world that Francis really means what the secular elitists are saying. No matter what Francis really says.
EDIT: I sincerely ask these questions, not in a snarky fashion. I suspect that your thoughts on the man mirror the popular media, so knowing more about how you feel may help us understand what they think, and may foretell their continuing coverage.
This one is a people person and he doesn't wear the red shoes, doesn't live in the papal apartment, he's articulate & communicates readily with anyone in an ordinary way without dry runs and prepared statements etc. He's real, spontaneous, and yes, one gets the impression that he really cares and has an agenda. It isn't biz as usual out of the Vatican. This one appears ready to transform the role, the Vatican bureaucracy, and anything else that impedes the mission as he sees it. And even to folks that aren't religious at all it is obvious that this man has a mission and he listens too. Was there any Pope in memory that conversed in an ordinary way with everyone?