I keep trying to tell you.... Pope Francis is not saying that the death penalty is "inadmissible" or that the state does not have this "authority."tuttle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:53 amDon't take my questioning as being opposed to what you've put forward, or being unable to understand it, I'm not necessarily unsympathetic to the aims, I'm more concerned about the means. I still haven't heard a convincing argument that tells me how the Pope's decision jives with the Church's teaching in the past, especially how it jives with Paul's admission that the State has the God given authority to wield the sword against evildoers. To say the DP is inadmissible and that such a statement isn't conflicting with the teachings of the past seem out of step to me and so much like modern liberal reasoning that it gives me bewildered pause.Del wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:21 amSome Christian ethical rules are absolute.tuttle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:36 amYou hit closer to my point in the second half of your response. I was sloppy in conveying what was on my mind. I wasn't necessarily trying to slam the Roman Catholic Church for executing people, but rather looking at a time when the Catholic church approved of the death penalty. I have a hard time rectifying the claim that the DP is inadmissible now and is not in contradiction with the Church's teachings then.
But most ethical solutions depend on the facts of the situation.
For example, War is always a terrible thing. But sometimes the situation demands War as the just and ethical response of a nation for the protection of its people. Thus we have a "Just War" theology.
So Francis is saying that capital punishment, while terrible, can still be just under some circumstances..... but we don't find ourselves under those circumstances in this age.
Our fear (in this age of abortion and assisted suicide) is that secular governments might find it convenient to reduce their imprisoned populations by a more enthusiastic application of the death penalty. Such spectacle might even be televised, for the edification of the masses. And the ratings are good.
He is saying that the death penalty is unconscionable under the circumstances of this age. It's not that we can't -- just that we most certainly shouldn't.