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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:02 pm

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

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— Pope Francis, Morocco

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by hugodrax » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
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But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Red129er » Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by hugodrax » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm

Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Red129er » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
I gotcha now, Hugodrax.

You keep making comments like that and you can definitely be my new best CPS friend. :)

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:44 pm

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Our Lady of the Amazon – 2018 Video Footage Emerges [Analysis]
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During our perambulations on social media, we came across a papal critic that was sharing the video down below, stating it proved the controversial ceremony in the Vatican Gardens was a pagan ritual, since it invoked the goddess Nunkuli. Until yesterday, the claim was that it was Pachamama, but I suppose for them it’s all the same. Of course, if I said that the figure was of Aphrodite, just because Aphrodite was pagan and helped me further the narrative of the pagan ritual, anyone reasonable and with an understanding of Ancient Greece would say I was factually wrong. However, people who, one month ago, had probably never even heard the names of “Pachamama” and “Nunkuli” seem to be able to make these kinds of categorical affirmations.

In the meantime, the video is very interesting and merits to be seen in full. It was posted on Youtube by REPAM, one of the three organizers of the event hosted in the Vatican Gardens. It was also posted on the Advent of 2018. You can see the polemical statue on the 23 second mark.



The text is in Spanish. I made a translation, which I provide below. The original is in blue; the translation is in bold black; notes in italic black:

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“Salve llena de gracia, el Señor es contigo”

Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you

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“Soy la raíz de mis hijos, soy el canto de mis abuelas, el canto de la Nunkuli”

I am the root of my children, I am the song of my grandmothers, the song of (the) Nunkuli

Note: “song” can also be translated as “chant”

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“Hija del Río, hermana del viento. Semilla, sustento”

Daughter of the River, sister of the wind. Seed, sustenance

Note: River is upper case: maybe refers to the Amazon River

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“Soy vientre sagrado que siembra amor”

I am the sacred womb that sows love

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“Canto de vida, soy territorio, canto de lucha”

Song of life, I am territory, song of struggle

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“No temas María, porque has hallado gracia delante de Dios”

Do not be afraid Mary, for you have found grace before God



“y concebirás en tu seno y darás a luz un hijo a quien pondrás de nombre Jesús (Lucas 1, 26, 11)”

And you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, to whom you will give the name Jesus (Lk 1, 26, 11)

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“Navidad en la Amazonia”

Christmas in the Amazon

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This video from REPAM shows, once more, that they are referring to the Virgin Mary. This is consistent with the words of the native woman who presided over the ritual and with the clarification offered by one of the priests who organized it. As I said, the closer we get to the actual sources of the ceremony, the stronger the evidence is that this is Our Lady.

However, it is telling that the innumerous Marian references in this video are completely glossed over in favor of a short passing reference to Nunkuli, who most don’t even know or understand. It’s not even true that the video equates Mary with Nunkuli. Rather, it says that Mary is “the song of Nunkuli”. Is there a song of Nunkuli that can be said to be fulfilled in Mary? Is Nunkuli here being referenced as the goddess or as some symbolic reality signified by this name? I don’t know, and neither do they. But they will start from the uncharitable assumption that it is pagan because of this.

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Thunktank » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:39 pm

Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
I gotcha now, Hugodrax.

You keep making comments like that and you can definitely be my new best CPS friend. :)

So instead of building bridges you two are going to burn bridges together instead? :wink:
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by hugodrax » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:54 am

Thunktank wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:39 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
I gotcha now, Hugodrax.

You keep making comments like that and you can definitely be my new best CPS friend. :)

So instead of building bridges you two are going to burn bridges together instead? :wink:
That was pretty funny.

I'll bring the kerosene.
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Red129er » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:57 am

Thunktank wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:39 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
I gotcha now, Hugodrax.

You keep making comments like that and you can definitely be my new best CPS friend. :)

So instead of building bridges you two are going to burn bridges together instead? :wink:
See? We can get along just fine. :lol:

Nothing like a little bridge burning to bring the Orthodox and Catholics together. It's like we're going to build some bridges while burning others. That counts as unity, right?

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Del » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:29 am

Red129er wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:57 am
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:39 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:22 pm
Red129er wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:42 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:00 pm
wosbald wrote:
Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:38 pm
+JMJ+





But queers are a-ok, right, Jesuit?

Hypocritical little pinko.
Wait... What? I'm confused. Who's a hypocrite?
Read up on Father Martin, LGBTQSJ. After that, take your pick. Yesterday, these fringe elements were asking for mercy and dialogue. Now they're so popey they've lit fires for their enemies.

Watching these guys determine "orthodoxy" makes my testicles hurt.
I gotcha now, Hugodrax.

You keep making comments like that and you can definitely be my new best CPS friend. :)

So instead of building bridges you two are going to burn bridges together instead? :wink:
See? We can get along just fine. :lol:

Nothing like a little bridge burning to bring the Orthodox and Catholics together. It's like we're going to build some bridges while burning others. That counts as unity, right?
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:53 am

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A Spirit of Dialogue or Dissent? [Analysis, Opinion]
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“Tensions may arise between the theologian and the Magisterium. The meaning attributed to such tensions and the spirit with which they are faced are not matters of indifference.”

The Church does not force people to believe something against their conscience. It makes a distinction between being unable to assent to something and dissent. The former cannot be helped sometimes, the latter is harmful to the unity of the Church.

Many critics of Pope Francis today excuse their harsh judgements of the pope with the claim that we don’t have to adhere to every word the pope says, that the pope can be mistaken, the pope can be in error in his non-infallible magisterium.

There is some truth to this. The CDF document, Donum Veritatis, published by Cardinal Ratzinger, clarifies that the pronouncements of the magisterium, at least when they are not directly related to revealed doctrine, can be a mixed bag of essential and contingent elements. He speaks of the filter of time that is sometimes required to purify and develop the teachings.

This is not necessarily where the critics are wrong. Where they are wrong is in the spirit of their opposition to the pope.

One can see the spirit of what they do in the fact that they are not simply struggling in good faith with this or that teaching. They are rather doing what Ratzinger described as dissent in Donum Veritatis.
If, despite a loyal effort on the theologian’s part, the difficulties persist, the theologian has the duty to make known to the Magisterial authorities the problems raised by the teaching in itself, in the arguments proposed to justify it, or even in the manner in which it is presented. He should do this in an evangelical spirit and with a profound desire to resolve the difficulties. His objections could then contribute to real progress and provide a stimulus to the Magisterium to propose the teaching of the Church in greater depth and with a clearer presentation of the arguments.
So far, so good. This is what Cardinal Burke initially did in privately sharing his problems with the Vatican. But then Donum Veritatis continues:
the theologian should avoid turning to the “mass media”, but have recourse to the responsible authority, for it is not by seeking to exert the pressure of public opinion that one contributes to the clarification of doctrinal issues and renders servite to the truth. (Donum Veritatis 30)
This is where everything went off the rails. In a 2017 interview with The Remnant, the interviewer asked Cardinal Burke this question:
So, is it even possible for you to envision a scenario whereby you suddenly discover that you’ve missed something, that the Four Cardinals are misinterpreting it, and that you’d have to concede you were wrong? I mean if that’s not possible, then what is the point of the dubia? Don’t you already know the answers to your five questions?
And this was Cardinal Burke’s reply:
Certainly we do. But the important thing is that the pastor of the universal Church, in his office as guardian of the truths of the Faith and promoter of the truths of the faith—that he make clear that, yes, he answers these questions in the same way that the Church answers them.
In other words, his “dubia” was not sincere. He just wanted to make the pope publicly say what Burke thought the Church teaches or ought to teach. What is the spirit behind that? What is the spirit behind writing open letters to the pope accusing him of being a heretic or pretending to correct him? What is the spirit behind the writing of books called "Lost Shepherd” or “The Dictator Pope”? What is the spirit that synchronizes and coordinates the release of slander and gossip and anonymous accusations that seem designed to undermine the papacy? What is the spirit that accuses a pope of being guilty of ‘internal schism’ (whatever that means)?

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"[T]he emergency of irregular migration has to be met with justice, solidarity and mercy. Forms of collective expulsion, which do not allow for the suitable treatment of individual cases, are unacceptable."
— Pope Francis, Morocco

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