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Post by wosbald » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:27 am

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Suspended priest excommunicated for still saying Mass, teaching against pope
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Bishop Jaime Soto of Sacramento, Calif., speaks at the headquarters of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington Jan. 17, 2018. On Aug. 7, 2020, Soto announced the automatic excommunication of Father Jeremy Leatherby, a suspended priest, for continuing to say Mass and for using Pope Benedict XVI's name, instead of Pope Francis' name, during Mass. (Credit: Tyler Orsburn/CNS)

SACRAMENTO, California — A suspended priest in the Diocese of Sacramento has been automatically excommunicated because he continued to celebrate Mass despite being instructed not to do so by Bishop Jaime Soto, and he also has refused to acknowledge Pope Francis as head of the Catholic Church.

In an Aug. 7 letter to Catholics of the diocese, Soto announced Father Jeremy Leatherby “has placed himself and others in a state of schism with the Roman Catholic Church. By his words and actions, Father Leatherby has incurred a latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication.”

“This means that by his own volition he has separated himself from communion with the Roman pontiff, Pope Francis, and other members of the Catholic Church,” the bishop said.

In March 2016, Leatherby was removed as a pastor from Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary Parish in Sacramento and suspended from priestly ministry, while an investigation was begun into an allegation he had engaged in sexual misconduct with a woman. Hundreds of his supporters signed a petition saying the allegation was false and urged the bishop to lift his suspension.

“Father Leatherby has violated my instructions by offering Mass and teaching publicly to a number of the faithful. He has instructed them against the legitimacy of His Holiness, Pope Francis,” Soto said in the Aug. 7 letter. “He has substituted the Holy Father’s name with the name of his predecessor,” retired Pope Benedict XVI, “and has omitted my name during the recitation of the Eucharistic Prayer while offering Mass.”

In an Aug. 3 letter to the priest, Soto told him the actions “have placed you and others in grave moral danger” and that he must stop any sacramental ministry and “must assume a life of prayer and penance under my direction.”

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Leatherby issued his statement publicly but did not reply directly to Soto. “After obstinately not responding to a number of my inquiries by telephone and correspondence,” Leatherby “has now confirmed his schismatic stance,” the bishop wrote in his Aug. 7 letter.

“Because of the grave scandal of these actions I have no recourse but to announce publicly the consequence of his decisions: He has brought upon himself an automatic latae sententiae excommunication,” Soto said.

He emphasized the excommunication is a separate issue from the “ongoing canonical process concerning other alleged behaviors by Father Jeremy Leatherby in violation of priestly promises.”

“This process admittedly has been long, is still continuing, and is in the hands of other ecclesiastical authorities,” Soto explained. “The events by which he has excommunicated himself are unrelated to these previous allegations and the ensuing investigation.”

Soto has instructed both clergy and the faithful “to refrain” from participating in “any further attempt by Father Leatherby to offer the Mass or other sacraments.”

“Join me in praying for his reconciliation and return to full communion with the Roman Catholic Church,” Soto wrote.

“May the intercession of our Blessed Mother Mary help Father Leatherby to repent of the harm he has inflicted on the church,” he said in conclusion. “With maternal solicitude, may she gather us together into the one communion of the church, holy and purified by the blood of the Lamb, her Son, Jesus.”

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

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Subject Header: China–Vatican Deal
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The Vatican and China may renew their secret deal soon. Here’s where their relationship stands. [In-Depth]
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Pope Francis, left, on May 7, 2019, and Chinese President Xi Jinping, right, on June 29, 2019. (AP Photos)

VATICAN CITY (RNS) — Aboard the papal flight returning from Japan in late 2019, Pope Francis told reporters about his hope to visit China one day.

“I would like to go to Beijing,” he said. “I love China.”

Since then, the tensions surrounding China have only increased after the revolts in Hong Kong, reports of human rights violations in the country and the COVID-19 pandemic.

The renewal of a secret deal between the Vatican and China, to be signed in September, is already splitting Catholics and risks heightening tensions further.

Vatican officials believe a deal with China could improve the lives of Chinese Catholics, especially those in the underground church. But critics fear the deal is already keeping Pope Francis silent on human rights abuses by the Chinese government, including its crackdown on Muslim Uighurs.

The contents of the deal are for the most part unknown.

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There are now 9 million Catholics in China, according to a 2011 study by the Pew Center; 5.7 million of them are under the umbrella of the C.P.C.A. The sheer size of the Catholic population in the country has motivated efforts by numerous pontiffs to bridge the divide.

There are other reasons why brokering a deal with China would be beneficial to the Catholic Church.

A significant portion of Catholics in the country are part of an “underground church” that is not recognized by Chinese state authorities and risks being sanctioned or persecuted.

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Securing a deal between the Vatican and China might be the only way to ensure their safety and the possibility of openly professing their faith.

Talks between the Vatican and Chinese officials began in July. According to the vice chairman of the Chinese Catholic Bishops’ Conference, Bishop Zhan Silu, it is likely that an official deal will be signed in September.

The upcoming agreement, he told the Chinese government paper Global Times, is “a key link that secures China-Vatican ties and could help push relations to the next step.”

The second-highest-ranking official at the Vatican, Italian Cardinal Pietro Parolin, is among the supporters of the deal. In an interview with Global Times, the prelate — who is considered a close papal ally — spoke of “an increased trust between the two sides.”

According to Parolin, the deal is “for the benefit of the entire Chinese Catholic community, which I embrace fraternally — above all those who have suffered most and continue to suffer.”

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

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Is the schism upon us? [In-Depth, Opinion]
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Image: Inside Sacramento Catholic cathedral. (By User:Fkearney — Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0)

By now you’ve probably heard the news about Fr. Jeremy Leatherby, the Sacramento priest whose latae sententiae excommunication was announced by Bishop Jaime Soto last week. Bishop Soto explained in his letter to the faithful that Leatherby “placed himself and others in a state of schism with the Roman Catholic Church,” meaning that he had “separated himself from communion with the Roman Pontiff, Pope Francis, and other members of the Catholic Church.”

This is just the latest chapter in a continuing soap opera in Sacramento involving the popular priest (who comes from a large and prominent local Catholic family that owns a famous chain of ice cream shops), his supporters, and Bishop Soto.

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Fr. Leatherby, like Italian priest Fr. Alessandro Maria Minutella, has been formally declared excommunicated from the Catholic Church by his bishop for rejecting the validity of Francis’s papacy. Similar to Minutella, he has a charismatic personality and has loyal supporters. What remains to be seen is whether Leatherby is a bellwether of things to come in the American Church, or if he is an isolated case — a lone suspended priest who, upon realizing that his chances of returning to diocesan ministry were slim, decided to exploit the anti-Francis atmosphere in an attempt to retain his status as a religious authority.

In his recent article about Fr. Minutella for Crux, John Allen describes the priest as a Don Quixote-type figure with a large online following as well as an offline constituency numbering in the hundreds. Leatherby, like Minutella, also has hundreds — if not thousands — of followers in Sacramento. According to reports, his recent Sunday Masses have been attracting around 350 attendees.

But there are other factors that suggest a significant schism could occur. For one thing, the Leatherby family is very prominent in Sacramento and in the local Catholic Church. The family owns Leatherby’s Family Creamery, a chain of ice cream parlors in the area. His grandparents were converts to the Catholic faith, with 10 children, 30 grandchildren, and 44 grandchildren. Jeremy Leatherby’s father, Dave Jr., is a deacon in the diocese, and two close family members are nuns.

JD Flynn of CNA spoke to a former parishioner of Fr. Leatherby about the influence of his family in the local Catholic community, reporting,
She emphasized that in her view, Leatherby’s family members, many of whom have been connected to the parish, are a “pr machine,” trying to promote the idea that the priest is the victim of persecution, “like a mafia,” Jennings added. Leatherby’s defenders, Jennings said, have smeared the reputation of the priest’s alleged victim within the parish community.
He has had his family’s support so far. If they decide to follow him into schism, there could be a serious rift in the local Church. Certain conservative Catholic apostolates and media outlets have been unflinching in their support for him and their opposition to Bishop Soto over the last four years. In the last few days, Church Militant has been silent on this story, however. Are they taking a wait-and-see approach?

There’s a chance the Leatherby movement could prove to be more serious than it appears on the surface, as it seems there are other strange things happening in the Catholic scene in Sacramento.

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Sacramento is a large diocese, but quite often the entrenched local Catholic community seems much more tight-knit. We can only hope that all Catholics in Sacramento will take the example of Father Leatherby as a warning regarding how far the Church is willing to bend before taking action against the rejection of its authority. Figures like Fr. Leatherby are capable of starting the sort of domino effect that can lead to a wider schism.

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by wosbald » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:41 am

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Subject Header: China–Vatican Deal
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Vatican-China deal on bishop appointments appears set for renewal [In-Depth]
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The Chinese national flag flies in front of a Catholic church in Huangtugang, China, in 2018. (CNS/Reuters/Thomas Peter)

Rome — The Vatican's controversial two-year deal with China over the appointment of Catholic bishops in the communist country appears likely to be extended past its expiration in September, say a number of experts familiar with the complicated relations between the two parties.

Although difficult issues are likely on the table during discussions — including the status of the Catholic community in Hong Kong and the Vatican's relations with Taiwan — both sides seem to want to continue the pact at least on a temporary basis, experts told NCR.

Francesco Sisci, a longtime foreign correspondent in Beijing for several of Italy's major newspapers and a recognized authority on Chinese-Vatican relations, said he had seen "a series of positive signs" that the accord was headed toward renewal.

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Pointing to China's granting of official recognition to three former "underground" bishops this summer, Sisci said the Vatican and Beijing "are beginning to choose new bishops together, are beginning to fill in the cracks of the Chinese church."

Francis had previously readmitted to "full ecclesial communion" seven living Chinese bishops who were ordained before the deal without Vatican approval, and had thus incurred automatic, or latae sententiae, excommunications.

Lawrence Reardon, a professor of political science at the University of New Hampshire who has written a number of books exploring the Chinese Communist Party's maneuverings, also pointed to the efforts by Beijing and the Vatican to facilitate reconciliation between China's two Catholic communities.

Both sides, said Reardon, "are trying to find a way in which they can make this bridge between the official and the unofficial Catholic Churches in China."

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Demonstrators march during a protest against the national security law in Hong Kong July 1. (CNS/Reuters/Tyrone Siu)

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Both Reardon and Sisci expressed doubt that China would be pushing the Vatican for any big concessions to extend the deal, such as a change to its recognition of Taiwan. The Holy See remains one of only 15 U.N. states to have formal diplomatic relations with the island, which China considers a rogue province.

"I think the question of Taiwan is not so important right now," said Sisci. "I believe that Beijing knows that in this very delicate moment, it is not opportune to try and change the situation about Taiwan."

Sisci also criticized Catholics outside China who have castigated the Vatican for making a deal with the communist country, saying that Francis' strategy is similar to how Pope John Paul II dealt with communist Poland.

When communist dictator Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski took control of Poland in the 1980s, the journalist said, John Paul talked and negotiated with him.

"Some Catholics want a crusade against China," said Sisci. "These Catholics do not know the history of the church, and not even the ancient history, but recent history."

"The era of the crusades is over," he said.

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Post by wosbald » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:12 pm

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Subject Header: Napa Conference/Red Hat Report
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Christians under siege, according to virtual Napa conference [In-Depth]
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Former Sen. Rick Santorum is pictured in this screenshot of a video talk for the Napa Institute's 2020 summer conference. (NCR photo)

"Finding Hope in the New America" served as the theme of this year's Napa Institute summer conference — a high-dollar gathering that brings together conservative Catholic philanthropists, lay leaders and high-ranking prelates — but in the more than 40 sessions of the 2020 virtual conference, its titular virtue of hope appeared to be in short supply.

Fear, instead, proved to be a dominant theme throughout this year's talks, most of which were pre-recorded and posted online Aug. 14-15, as participants were warned of the potential "hijacking of the civil rights movement" as racial tensions persist throughout the country, and the rise of big government, as evidenced by certain measures taken to fight the spread of the coronavirus.

This year's speaker lineup included papal biographer George Weigel, Australian Cardinal George Pell, FOCUS founder Curtis Martin and former Sen. Rick Santorum, many of whom warned, in the words of Weigel, that "America has been told a false story about itself" by secular elites and that Christians are increasingly under siege in the public square.

Weigel encouraged attendees to be prepared to play "good legal defense" in the years to come, especially in the fight for religious liberty. Similarly, Santorum said that in order to protect the "fragility of freedom," Catholics must possess the same level of passion as "Antifa and other leftist organizations and atheistic organizations."

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Speakers participate in a pre-recorded panel introduction that played during the Napa Institute's 2020 summer conference. Pictured in this screenshot, from left, are: John Meyer, Jesuit Fr. Robert Spitzer, Tim Busch and Fr. Ambrose Criste. (NCR photo)

A 'hijacking' of civil rights

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In a talk titled "American Awakening: Identity Politics and Other Afflictions of Our Time," Georgetown University government professor Joshua Mitchell warned that America has relocated its religion to the realm of politics, where identity is at the center of all major decisions and debates.

"God is nowhere to be found in the identity politics accounting scheme. Neither is forgiveness, which would erase the scores all together and leave us with no score to settle," he said, specifically noting that "white heterosexual men" must bear the guilt of all past transgressions.

While he offered the caveat that he was not saying that straight white men are all innocent, he said that "whatever the law may say about our innocence, the presumption of identity politics is that man, or rather the white heterosexual man, is guilty."

"This is a dangerous reversal of legal norms that the Anglo-American tradition took centuries to develop and take hold," he warned. "All others — women, Blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQ persons — have their sins of omission or commission covered over by scapegoating this group."

Another talk by Louis Brown, executive director of the Christ Medicus Foundation, offered a sweeping condemnation of a "culture of death" in America — one in which he said 19 million African American babies are aborted each year, police officers are all demonized, and rioting has led to a "hijacking of the civil rights movement."

The New York Times' "1619 Project" was also the subject of several presenters' criticisms. Princeton University historian Allen C. Guelzo labeled the initiative's efforts to date the American founding to the year that the first African slaves arrived in the Virginia colony (rather than the historical dating of 1776) is an "egregious" overreach that is "long on passion, short on reality."

He also warned that the project "leaves us with a suspicion that capitalism is somehow tainted by slavery," which has contributed to the embrace of socialism by younger Americans.

Weigel also lambasted the project, adding that "the effects of this distorted telling of the American story are everywhere. They are unmistakable and they are ubiquitous." Another speaker, Robert Woodson Sr., who leads a counter-initiative, "1776 Unites," said that the "1619 Project," as well as the current backlash over the recent death of George Floyd, an unarmed Black man killed by a police officer in Minnesota in May, are both examples of the "the left" exploiting the country's "racist past."

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Church politics

While past Napa conferences have spotlighted more internal ecclesial debates, such as recent Vatican synods and the clergy abuse scandals, only a handful of this year's keynote speakers discussed in-house church affairs.

Los Angeles Auxiliary Bishop Robert Barron used his remarks to castigate Catholic traditionalists who have questioned the legitimacy of the Second Vatican Council.

"The council is settled teaching," he said, saying now is the time to get "on with the great work of Vatican II." He went on to lament the questioning of an ecumenical council and related disparagement of Pope Francis, particularly as is evidenced on social media, as a decline in the state of Catholic conversation.

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Cardinal George Pell is pictured in a screenshot of his interview during the Napa Institute's 2020 summer conference, which was held virtually this year (NCR photo)

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Cardinal George Pell, left, is pictured in a screenshot of an interview conducted by Marylin Rodrigues of the Catholic Weekly, for the Napa Institute's 2020 summer conference. (NCR photo)

'When will we speak out?'

While the inside baseball of church politics may have taken a backseat this year, many of the talks offered similar refrains that encouraged Catholics to be engaged in the country's political life, lest they be squeezed out of it.

"President Trump has been absolutely fearless on life," Roger Severino, the director of the Office of Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, told attendees. "He's a champion for the unborn. The way he speaks about life, it comes from the heart and he's followed up with policies."

Looking ahead to this fall's election, Santorum, a regular commentator on CNN, told attendees that he hopes church leaders are quick to call out politicians who disagree with church teaching on abortion or marriage, but doesn't want them "to get involved in agriculture programs and economic development projects and the morality of all of those things.

"I think that's highly problematic and inappropriate. I think too often the bishops' conference gets wrapped around the axle on issues that frankly that are not moral absolutes and are areas of prudential judgment," he warned.

"And I frankly think they should stay away from those things. The more narrow focused, clear issues that are unambiguous teachings of the church is the lane that the church has the most authority, and as a result has the most persuasion," he continued. "Once they go afield on a variety of other issues like nuclear proliferation treaties, you just weaken the soup and make it ineffective."

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Del » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:43 am

The biggest problem that Pope Francis faces is that he has all the wrong friends. His message, whatever it be, gets drowned out by the progressive voices who clamor to claim that he is all on their side.

Take the Fishwrap, for example. They hated Paul VI, after Humanae vitae. They hated St. John Paul the Great. They hated Benedict XVI.
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Promoting a progressive position, NCR presents itself "as one of the few, if not the only truly independent, journalistic outlet for Catholics and others who struggle with the complex moral and societal issues of the day."[8] Russell Shaw, writing in the supplemental volume of the Encyclopedia of Catholic Social Thought, Social Science, and Social Policy writes that NCR "has been criticized for ideological bias and a tilt in favor of progressive Catholicism and dissent, not only in its editorial and opinion pages but in its news coverage as well, together with an excessive readiness to dispute and oppose statements and actions of the Holy See and the bishops."[9]

NCR has asserted that climate change is the most important pro-life issue facing the Catholic Church.
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But Fishwrap frequently claims that Pope Francis supports everything that they support. This deeply undermines the confidence and enthusiasm of faithful Catholics toward whatever message Francis might have for us.

So likewise Francis suffers adverse support from the Jesuits over at Amerika, The Bitter Pill in England, and the leftwing newsblogs frequently linked here.

Better to spend our time re-reading the Jesus of Nazareth books by Papa Ratzinger.
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This thread needs a poll.
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Subject Header: Viganò/QAnon/Deep State/Deep Church
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For years I worried that the QAnon conspiracy theory would find its way into Catholicism, but thankfully it seems there are few fervent Catholics who openly support QAnon right now. Recently, however, I came across an exception in “Friend of Medjugorje,” the author of a book from 2019 that offers an explicit fusion of QAnon with Catholicism. What is especially striking about Friend of Medjugorje’s Qatholicism is that the language he uses anticipates some of the language used by Archbishop Viganò in his letter to President Donald Trump, which I have argued (here and here) was an attempt to engage the MAGA movement and appears to contain dog-whistles directed at the QAnon community in particular. The similarities between the book and Viganò’s letter are uncanny, and point to a shared vision as well as a shared vocabulary. I have no idea if Viganò has read the book, and I consider it fairly unlikely, but it is instructive to compare the two texts.

Big Q, Little Q: The Calm Before the Storm (St. James Publishing, 2019), by Friend of Medjugorje (whose real name is Terry Colafrancesco), is available in print, as an e-book, and as an audiobook through Audible. Colafrancesco, I should note, is not by any stretch aligned with mainstream Catholicism. He appears to be the driving force behind an organization in Alabama called Caritas of Birmingham which has capitalized upon the www.medjugorje.com domain name. More information on the author and this organization, some of it troubling, can be easily found by searching online.

To get a feel for Big Q, Little Q, readers may wish to view the bizarre and disjointed promotional video for the book, which contains some cryptic narration and graphics interspersed with footage of paper copies being printed and packaged for shipment:


Before delving into the content of the book, we should recall the language and rhetoric used by Archbishop Viganò in his June 2020 letter to Trump, so that the book and the letter may be compared more easily. Below are the opening sentences of the first three paragraphs of Viganò’s letter, which capture his core message (italicization appears in the original).

Paragraph 1:
In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority.
Paragraph 2:
These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent.
Paragraph 3:
In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness — whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days — have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans.
Certain key terms — “Biblical,” “children of light,” “children of darkness,” and “deep state” — echo motifs common among those who believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory. In particular, they echo the QAnon catchphrases “Dark to light” (which reflects the dark/light dualism that provides the spiritual structure for QAnon in general) and “It’s gonna be Biblical” (taken from a scene [language warning] referenced by Q from the film Law Abiding Citizen). Further, the positioning of Trump as a spiritual warrior reflects a key QAnon theme captured in a bible passage often cited by Q, Ephesians 6:10-18 (on the “Armor of God”), and Viganò’s call for the children of light to shake off the deceptions of the mainstream media, “wake up from their sluggishness,” and “come together and make their voices heard” sounds suspiciously like the Q call for a “Great Awakening” and a new solidarity (reflected in the slogan “Where We Go One, We Go All” or “WWG1WGA”) among those who can see through the lies of the fake news media. Considering also the references elsewhere in the letter to Freemasonry, Trump’s “proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month,” conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19 and the George Floyd protests, and the “invisible enemy” (another Q motif representing the deep state), it is not unreasonable to think that Viganò was trying to catch the attention of Q and the QAnon community. (For those unfamiliar with the language of QAnon, I have added a couple of explanatory notes at the bottom of this post.)

Keeping the Trump letter in mind, we can examine how Big Q, Little Q anticipates some of Viganò’s terms and rhetoric.

Big Q, Little Q mixes Marian apocalypticism, hardcore Trumpism, and QAnon conspiracy theory. Its basic premise is simple: Trump is a contemporary Joan of Arc who is fighting to save civilization from the forces of evil with the help and guidance of “Big Q” or Mary, the Queen of Heaven, and “Little Q” of QAnon fame. When it comes to Trump’s mission and destiny, God is in control. Q, with his cryptic utterances that leave people guessing but also shed light on the “entrenched Deep State” (Ch. 6), is following what the author refers to as a “Biblical Strategy” (Ch. 8​) like that used by Joshua at Jericho. Throughout the book, the author also attempts to show that the messages received by the Medjugorje visionaries prefigure the messages of Q in some way: “Both Qs are revealing the battle plan through ‘intel drops,’ but Our Lady is dropping intel from Heaven” (Ch. 8​). It is all leading, according to the author, to a great showdown, in which the very survival of America is at stake:

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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by Del » Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:11 pm

wosbald wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:29 pm
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Subject Header: Viganò/QAnon/Deep State/Deep Church
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For years I worried that the QAnon conspiracy theory would find its way into Catholicism, but thankfully it seems there are few fervent Catholics who openly support QAnon right now. Recently, however, I came across an exception in “Friend of Medjugorje,” the author of a book from 2019 that offers an explicit fusion of QAnon with Catholicism. What is especially striking about Friend of Medjugorje’s Qatholicism is that the language he uses anticipates some of the language used by Archbishop Viganò in his letter to President Donald Trump, which I have argued (here and here) was an attempt to engage the MAGA movement and appears to contain dog-whistles directed at the QAnon community in particular. The similarities between the book and Viganò’s letter are uncanny, and point to a shared vision as well as a shared vocabulary. I have no idea if Viganò has read the book, and I consider it fairly unlikely, but it is instructive to compare the two texts.

Big Q, Little Q: The Calm Before the Storm (St. James Publishing, 2019), by Friend of Medjugorje (whose real name is Terry Colafrancesco), is available in print, as an e-book, and as an audiobook through Audible. Colafrancesco, I should note, is not by any stretch aligned with mainstream Catholicism. He appears to be the driving force behind an organization in Alabama called Caritas of Birmingham which has capitalized upon the www.medjugorje.com domain name. More information on the author and this organization, some of it troubling, can be easily found by searching online.

To get a feel for Big Q, Little Q, readers may wish to view the bizarre and disjointed promotional video for the book, which contains some cryptic narration and graphics interspersed with footage of paper copies being printed and packaged for shipment:


Before delving into the content of the book, we should recall the language and rhetoric used by Archbishop Viganò in his June 2020 letter to Trump, so that the book and the letter may be compared more easily. Below are the opening sentences of the first three paragraphs of Viganò’s letter, which capture his core message (italicization appears in the original).

Paragraph 1:
In recent months we have been witnessing the formation of two opposing sides that I would call Biblical: the children of light and the children of darkness. The children of light constitute the most conspicuous part of humanity, while the children of darkness represent an absolute minority.
Paragraph 2:
These two sides, which have a Biblical nature, follow the clear separation between the offspring of the Woman and the offspring of the Serpent.
Paragraph 3:
In society, Mr. President, these two opposing realities co-exist as eternal enemies, just as God and Satan are eternal enemies. And it appears that the children of darkness — whom we may easily identify with the deep state which you wisely oppose and which is fiercely waging war against you in these days — have decided to show their cards, so to speak, by now revealing their plans.
Certain key terms — “Biblical,” “children of light,” “children of darkness,” and “deep state” — echo motifs common among those who believe in the QAnon conspiracy theory. In particular, they echo the QAnon catchphrases “Dark to light” (which reflects the dark/light dualism that provides the spiritual structure for QAnon in general) and “It’s gonna be Biblical” (taken from a scene [language warning] referenced by Q from the film Law Abiding Citizen). Further, the positioning of Trump as a spiritual warrior reflects a key QAnon theme captured in a bible passage often cited by Q, Ephesians 6:10-18 (on the “Armor of God”), and Viganò’s call for the children of light to shake off the deceptions of the mainstream media, “wake up from their sluggishness,” and “come together and make their voices heard” sounds suspiciously like the Q call for a “Great Awakening” and a new solidarity (reflected in the slogan “Where We Go One, We Go All” or “WWG1WGA”) among those who can see through the lies of the fake news media. Considering also the references elsewhere in the letter to Freemasonry, Trump’s “proclamation of the month of April as National Child Abuse Prevention Month,” conspiracy theories regarding COVID-19 and the George Floyd protests, and the “invisible enemy” (another Q motif representing the deep state), it is not unreasonable to think that Viganò was trying to catch the attention of Q and the QAnon community. (For those unfamiliar with the language of QAnon, I have added a couple of explanatory notes at the bottom of this post.)

Keeping the Trump letter in mind, we can examine how Big Q, Little Q anticipates some of Viganò’s terms and rhetoric.

Big Q, Little Q mixes Marian apocalypticism, hardcore Trumpism, and QAnon conspiracy theory. Its basic premise is simple: Trump is a contemporary Joan of Arc who is fighting to save civilization from the forces of evil with the help and guidance of “Big Q” or Mary, the Queen of Heaven, and “Little Q” of QAnon fame. When it comes to Trump’s mission and destiny, God is in control. Q, with his cryptic utterances that leave people guessing but also shed light on the “entrenched Deep State” (Ch. 6), is following what the author refers to as a “Biblical Strategy” (Ch. 8​) like that used by Joshua at Jericho. Throughout the book, the author also attempts to show that the messages received by the Medjugorje visionaries prefigure the messages of Q in some way: “Both Qs are revealing the battle plan through ‘intel drops,’ but Our Lady is dropping intel from Heaven” (Ch. 8​). It is all leading, according to the author, to a great showdown, in which the very survival of America is at stake:

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Some think Benedict is still pope [In-Depth, Opinion]
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If you follow the world of radical Catholic traditionalism at all, then certainly you’ve come across people who believe the resignation of Pope Benedict wasn’t legitimate. Their case is usually based upon a strict reading of Canon Law, and it goes something like this:
  1. Canon 332 §2 of the Code of Canon Law says, “If it happens that the Roman Pontiff resigns his office, it is required for validity that the resignation is made freely and properly manifested but not that it is accepted by anyone.”
  2. In his official declaration announcing his resignation, Benedict stated, “with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant and a Conclave to elect the new Supreme Pontiff will have to be convoked by those whose competence it is.”
  3. Since the canon says that the pope must renounce the office of the papacy, and Benedict said he was resigning the ministry of the papacy, he did not, in fact, resign from the papacy.
While this is a somewhat simplistic summary of the argument, the rest of the case typically flows from this basic premise. Proponents will dig into the Latin terminology, they will argue why it is so important to use the word “office” in a papal resignation, how Benedict’s later actions and statements contain evidence that proves he’s still the pope, etc. It’s all very tedious. If you are interested in learning more about these arguments, they are very easy to find via an internet search.

Of course, it would be absurd to think that Benedict is still the pope because he accidentally got the formula wrong, so advocates of this idea suggest that he deliberately botched the resignation, he “knows” he is still the pope, and he has been dropping little clues to reassure us that he’s still in charge. Apparently some believe this is all part of an elaborate plan by Benedict with (according to at least one person) an endgame of saving the Church from freemasons.

Notwithstanding Benedict’s support and praise for Pope Francis (much of which was summarized back in May by my friend Greg Daly for Catholic Voices), these conspiracy theorists analyze virtually every new story or rumor about the pope emeritus and argue that it further substantiates their theory.

One fairly recent (and particularly absurd) example of this train of thought was back in June when Benedict traveled to Germany to visit his dying brother, Msgr. Georg Ratzinger. Several of these websites ran headlines suggesting that this was not his real reason for leaving Rome, and that he was never going to come back. One site called From Rome, for example, wrote in an article dated June 19, “POPE BENEDICT XVI HAS BEEN EXILED.” The story explained:
It has been confirmed by multiple sources that Pope Benedict XVI has been driven from the Vatican and placed under conditions which appear to be imprisonment and exile.

The German press has been told that Pope Benedict will not be allowed to give interviews in written or video format.

The
Bild has confirmed, not only that the Pope has no plans to return immediately to the Vatican, but has announced that he will NOT return to the Vatican again. (emphasis added)
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All of this would simply be amusing if ordinary Catholics weren’t being duped by this nonsense. Recall that the popular, charismatic, recently excommunicated Fr. Jeremy Leatherby has openly embraced the theory that Benedict is still pope. Taylor Marshall recently did two YouTube broadcasts with a former Church history professor who is a proponent of this idea (one received over 83K views and the other more than 54k views on YouTube alone). You may recall that last year, Cardinal Burke openly entertained the possibility that Francis is an antipope in an interview with former Catholic Answers radio host Patrick Coffin last year. Edward Pentin, the Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Register, has given platforms to people with these views on his website. And, as Deacon Bill Ditewig pointed out earlier this week, the hero of the anti-Francis movement, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, refuses to refer to the Holy Father as Pope Francis.

All of these figures are influential, and sadly, ordinary Catholics get sucked in by their arguments.

Quickly, however, I would like to address one of the “clues” that is often cited by those who claim that Benedict is still pope:

He still wears his papal ring.

This is false. Benedict’s papal ring was rendered unusable shortly after his resignation took effect on February 28, a fact that was reported by Carol Zimmerman of Catholic News Service and other outlets back in March 2013.

[…]

A simple Google image search for high-resolution photos of Benedict puts this one to rest. But I’ll do your homework for you.

Virtually any high-res photo of Benedict during his papacy that includes his right hand clearly shows the large, ornate signet ring that he wore during his time as pope.

His papal ring (links to the original source of the photos included under each set of pics):

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He still wears a ring, but he now wears a much simpler gold episcopal ring:

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Dear conspiracy theorists, in light of this evidence, can we please put this one to rest?
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I think lockdown and social distancing have been bad for society as a whole, but I think they really took a toll on the Wozza. :lol:
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It appears as if “the former pope is still the real pope and the new pope is not the real pope” conspiracy believers bear some striking similarities to QAnon believers.

I wonder how many find themselves believing both conspiracies?
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durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm
It appears as if “the former pope is still the real pope and the new pope is not the real pope” conspiracy believers bear some striking similarities to QAnon believers.

I wonder how many find themselves believing both conspiracies?
I think we dignify certain things by talking about them.
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by durangopipe » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:31 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:16 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm
It appears as if “the former pope is still the real pope and the new pope is not the real pope” conspiracy believers bear some striking similarities to QAnon believers.

I wonder how many find themselves believing both conspiracies?
I think we dignify certain things by talking about them.
You’re probably right.
It just struck me while I was reading the article.
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Post by hugodrax » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:16 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm
It appears as if “the former pope is still the real pope and the new pope is not the real pope” conspiracy believers bear some striking similarities to QAnon believers.

I wonder how many find themselves believing both conspiracies?
I think we dignify certain things by talking about them.
You’re probably right.
It just struck me while I was reading the article.
Oh, I'm not arguing with the substance of what you're saying, I just can't shake the notion that I'd never have learned of furries, QAnon, or oddball aspects of papal politics if somebody didnt feel the need to put it under my nose.

P S. You read Wosbald articles? You'll be a Muslim by this time next week! :lol:
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Re: I'm Starting to Like This Pope

Post by durangopipe » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:47 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:05 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:16 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:46 pm
It appears as if “the former pope is still the real pope and the new pope is not the real pope” conspiracy believers bear some striking similarities to QAnon believers.

I wonder how many find themselves believing both conspiracies?
I think we dignify certain things by talking about them.
You’re probably right.
It just struck me while I was reading the article.
Oh, I'm not arguing with the substance of what you're saying, I just can't shake the notion that I'd never have learned of furries, QAnon, or oddball aspects of papal politics if somebody didnt feel the need to put it under my nose.

P S. You read Wosbald articles? You'll be a Muslim by this time next week! :lol:
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tuttle wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:32 pm
wosbald wrote:
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John-Boy wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:14 pm
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Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:32 pm
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You can't do us a solid on this one, too, could ya?
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Francis will sign new encyclical, 'Fratelli tutti,' Oct. 3
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VATICAN CITY — Pope Francis will travel to Assisi Oct. 3 to sign an encyclical on the social, political and economic obligations that flow from a belief that all people are children of God and therefore brothers and sisters to one another.

The Vatican press office, confirming the pope's trip, said the document will be titled Fratelli Tutti in Italian or "Brothers and Sisters All."

Conventual Franciscan Fr. Mauro Gambetti, custodian of the Assisi convent, said the document "will indicate to the world a style for the future and will give the church and people of goodwill the responsibility for building it together."

"The pope is clearly inspired by Francis of Assisi who, in following Jesus, recognized in fraternity, lived under the sign of mutual and loving service, the horizon of a fulfilled and happy humanity," Gambetti added.

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The encyclical is expected to echo many of the themes Francis has been discussing in his general audience talks on Catholic social teaching in light of the pandemic: human fraternity, the equal dignity of all people, the preferential option for the poor, the universal destination of goods and the obligation of solidarity. Care for the environment and the virtue of peacemaking also are expected to be part of the encyclical.

After the pope signs the document on the eve of the feast of St. Francis, the text is expected to be published in a variety of languages the first week of October.

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