GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

[UncleBob]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/georgi ... index.html

[mont974x4]

I was reading about this good news earlier.

[dasmokeryaget]

IM movin to GA.

[Spyderweb]

Cool. My home away from home.

[DAN]

For decades now, I have watched with slack-jawed amazement as anti-gunners prophesy ongoing wild-west bloodbaths at the passage of every pro-gun or pro-concealed-carry legislation. It never happens and they never learn.

It's the darndest thing I've ever seen.

[mont974x4]

IM movin to GA.

Yeah I might have to see what churches there are looking for a pastor.

[mont974x4]

For decades now, I have watched with slack-jawed amazement as anti-gunners prophesy ongoing wild-west bloodbaths at the passage of every pro-gun or pro-concealed-carry legislation. It never happens and they never learn.

It's the darndest thing I've ever seen.

Yep. All they have is fear.

[SteveH]

Unbelievable. Pure madness.

[SteveH]

For decades now, I have watched with slack-jawed amazement as anti-gunners prophesy ongoing wild-west bloodbaths at the passage of every pro-gun or pro-concealed-carry legislation. It never happens and they never learn.

It's the darndest thing I've ever seen.

What do you mean, "It never happens"? Haven't you heard of Columbine, and dozens of other tragedies? They happen every few years in the US, not to mention the single-murder rate. Over here, we had Dunblane about 20 years ago, and Hungerford quite a few years before that, and that's about it, in my lifetime.

[hogleg]

Unbelievable. Pure madness.

Pure madness is thinking legislation to control items (guns or any other things) will control violence and/or death and that the lack of control of those items will cause more violence. If that were the case, violent crime would not be decreasing.

The problems are in the hearts of men, and that goes back to Cain. The problem has never been the implements man uses. I carry a firearm nearly daily, and I have yet to commit any acts of violence. And guess what? My firearms have yet to commit any acts felonious acts on their own. Preventing me from carrying solves absolutely nothing.

[hogleg]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/georgi ... index.html

"Georgia law allows guns in some schools, bars, churches"

Here, they've been allowed in establishment serving alcohol, in churches, and even in the state capital for sometime. Not a problem. Those intent on committing felonious acts have never been stopped by laws anyway. Laws do not prevent violence. They codify punishments.

[DAN]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

[hogleg]

Watch the map.

[DAN]

I almost forgot one. At one time, Oklahoma law required that if, say, an intruder broke into your home, you were required to retreat rather than defend, if you could retreat safely. When the law was changed and you no longer had to leave your own home if someone broke in, critics prophesied that there would be murder after murder, with people luring folks with whom they had a grievance into their homes, shooting them, and then claiming "self-defense." That never happened, either.

[dasmokeryaget]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

You can't explain these things to the English Dan

[fiddlestix]

The problems are in the hearts of men, and that goes back to Cain. The problem has never been the implements man uses. I carry a firearm nearly daily, and I have yet to commit any acts of violence. And guess what? My firearms have yet to commit any acts felonious acts on their own. Preventing me from carrying solves absolutely nothing.

+1000

I seriously doubt that anyone who was bent on committing a violent crime has ever once been dissuaded because they checked their local, state or federal laws to see if their intended use of their preferred weapon was kosher. If you are determined enough to hurt people, you will hurt people regardless of any law. Gun, knife, hammer, fist, rice cooker, passenger jet... There's lots of options. You won't ever legislate away violence.

[SteveH]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

The fact remains that in the UK there have been two such incidents that I can remember in my 62-year lifetime, while in the USA you have one every few years.

[DAN]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

The fact remains that in the UK there have been two such incidents that I can remember in my 62-year lifetime, while in the USA you have one every few years.

So, us it thst England has fewer people overall, fewer lunatics, or fewer guns?

[fiddlestix]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

The fact remains that in the UK there have been two such incidents that I can remember in my 62-year lifetime, while in the USA you have one every few years.

So, us it thst England has fewer people overall, fewer lunatics, or fewer guns?

How does the UK's knife violence stats stack up against the US knife violence stats? How do they stack up against the US gun violence stats for that matter? If I'm not mistaken (and that is definitely a possibility) one is almost twice as likely to be a victim of knife violence in the UK as opposed to a victim of gun violence in the US...

[Del]

By "ongoing wild-west bloodbaths" I do not mean "lunatic-perpetrated mass murders." What was prophesied, for example, here in Oklahoma, when we passed concealed-carry, was heretofore peaceable citizens settling arguments over parking spaces with gunfights. We were assured that the citizenry would be shooting each other up in the streets at record rates. It never happened. No concealed carry permit holder in Oklahoma has ever been implicated in such a shooting. Likewise, when we passed open carry, we were told that macho ego-driven men would be gunning each other down over giving each other dirty looks. That never happened, either. Perhaps you don't see a difference between nutcases gunning down defenseless victims--they never choose places where someone might shoot back, of course--and normal citizens resorting to gunplay because they haven't had their coffee, but it seems like there's a difference to me. Thank God for Oklahoma--and Georgia.

You can't explain these things to the English Dan

The Brits have a horror of guns, but they have grown accustomed to bombs.