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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by hugodrax » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:28 pm

joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
GaryInVA wrote:I'm looking to buy my first firearm soon, a shotgun. Not a lot available right now in my price range.
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by joegoat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm

hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
GaryInVA wrote:I'm looking to buy my first firearm soon, a shotgun. Not a lot available right now in my price range.
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by hugodrax » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:53 pm

joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
GaryInVA wrote:I'm looking to buy my first firearm soon, a shotgun. Not a lot available right now in my price range.
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by joegoat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:57 pm

hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
GaryInVA wrote:I'm looking to buy my first firearm soon, a shotgun. Not a lot available right now in my price range.
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
We all are. The reasons may be nostalgic or mechanical.

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by hugodrax » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:03 pm

joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:57 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
GaryInVA wrote:I'm looking to buy my first firearm soon, a shotgun. Not a lot available right now in my price range.
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
We all are. The reasons may be nostalgic or mechanical.

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It's both for me. I have my great granddad's model 12. 1927. Always impressed by its action and longevity.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by joegoat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:31 pm

hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:57 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm
joegoat wrote:
Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:50 pm
For sporting or defense?

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Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
We all are. The reasons may be nostalgic or mechanical.

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It's both for me. I have my great granddad's model 12. 1927. Always impressed by its action and longevity.
Those are fine reasons to be biased.

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:27 pm

joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:57 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote:
GaryInVA wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:15 pm

Defense. Was wanting a Remington 870 but nowhere to be found.
Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

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I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
We all are. The reasons may be nostalgic or mechanical.

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It's both for me. I have my great granddad's model 12. 1927. Always impressed by its action and longevity.
Those are fine reasons to be biased.

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Post by GaryInVA » Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:53 pm

What is everyone's opinions on Turkish made scatterguns?
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Post by durangopipe » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:53 pm

GaryInVA wrote:
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What is everyone's opinions on Turkish made scatterguns?
There is a wide range of quality, but my experience with a CZ side by side (Bobwhite) has been excellent.
I also had a lovely little Ringneck over-under in 28ga. Also a fine gun.

The Bobwhite is kind of bare bones, but mechanically solid with a Greener crossbolt. The Ringneck added elegant side clips.

Some things, like the quality of blueing and case colors and the possible longevity (although I can’t speak to this directly - I hunted with mine and never subjected them to the pounding of target shooting) are not up to the standards of more expensive guns. And the triggers are not terribly refined, but this is somewhat less of an issue on a shotgun than a rifle.

I think CZ shotguns (Made by Huglu in Turkey) are a terrific value. I’d get another one in a heartbeat.
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Post by joegoat » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:17 pm

GaryInVA wrote:What is everyone's opinions on Turkish made scatterguns?
From what I've seen, they are a step above the Chinese stuff.

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by joegoat » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:18 pm

Hovannes wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:31 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:57 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm
hugodrax wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:22 pm
Hovannes wrote: Save yourself some $$
Look for a used Wing Master Image
Avoid the Chinese knockoffs of the 870. The action bars are usually just brazed to the forend tubes and have been known to break loose.
The 870 is a fine gun. I'm forced to mention my pick though. The Winchester 1300 is one of the smoothest and most robust actions I've ever used. Sadly, the originals are discontinued though. There are some knockoffs and the rebranded Winchester's SPX, but the originals were simply silky smooth.

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That's bold words considering the astounding perfection of the Model 12.
The model 12 was and still is a fine gun. The 1200 and 1300 models were improvements in my opinion though.

Sent from my moto e5 cruise using Tapatalk
I admit I'm prejudiced in this regard.
We all are. The reasons may be nostalgic or mechanical.

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It's both for me. I have my great granddad's model 12. 1927. Always impressed by its action and longevity.
Those are fine reasons to be biased.

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My fave was an 1897 Winchester. I wish I still had her.
Those are great until that bolt runs into your hand.

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Post by Stanley76 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:39 pm

Was it the Ithaca Model 37 that had a ball bearing slide action or something? A pre-war Model 37 sounds like something I'd like. Also, Dove season is almost upon us here in NC and I have a permission to hunt a field five minutes from my house and a crap load of shells (which I won't have after I hunt for a few days).
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Post by JudgeRusty » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:53 pm

Recently was cleaning up and ran across my Remington Army revolver. I thought I would see what you experts have to allow about it.
Here is what I know:
Without measuring, I am convinced it is 44 caliber. It has no signs of refinishing. It has no real rust, but many tiny dings of wear.
The biggest flaw that I see is the initials "D W" carved in the right side wood grip. My opinion is the carving is very old, possible original owner.
The top line on the barrel engraving says: Patented Sept. 14, 1858; next line says: E. Remington & Sons, Ilion, New York, USA; and the bottom line says: New Model.
A "W" is stamped on each side of the cylinder, on the trigger guard near the front screw and on the left side of the frame.
The Serial Number (five digits beginning with 533) is on underside of the barrel and underneath the pistol grip.
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Post by durangopipe » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:06 pm

JudgeRusty wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:53 pm
Recently was cleaning up and ran across my Remington Army revolver. I thought I would see what you experts have to allow about it.
Here is what I know:
Without measuring, I am convinced it is 44 caliber. It has no signs of refinishing. It has no real rust, but many tiny dings of wear.
The biggest flaw that I see is the initials "D W" carved in the right side wood grip. My opinion is the carving is very old, possible original owner.
The top line on the barrel engraving says: Patented Sept. 14, 1858; next line says: E. Remington & Sons, Ilion, New York, USA; and the bottom line says: New Model.
A "W" is stamped on each side of the cylinder, on the trigger guard near the front screw and on the left side of the frame.
The Serial Number (five digits beginning with 533) is on underside of the barrel and underneath the pistol grip.
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Any additional information is appreciated.
Beautiful piece!
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Post by joegoat » Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:07 pm

Looks like the last deals in military surplus are the Italian Carcanos. The enboc clips that are required to shoot them are no deal though. YIKES! $10 each these days.

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Post by Bloodhound » Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:25 am

I have told the story before of wanting a 16ga Winchester Model 12 shotgun as a kid and saving the money only to have my stepdad "Shoot the idea down"...anyway about 12 years ago I decided since my stepdad is no longer the boss of me...I bought a nice 1948 vintage 16ga Model 12. Well a few years ago, I was messing around on the auction site and looking at 16ga Model 12s, and I placed a lowball bid on a t 1941 vintage gun...won the bid and ended up with another nice original gun...only this one is a 30inch barrel...kind of a rare bird. I have kept it. I have never fired it...but I am thinking it may see duty this season...bird season opened here in Colorado Tuesday....I am twitching with anticipation to get to the mountains and chase grouse...
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Post by durangopipe » Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 am

Bloodhound wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:25 am
I have told the story before of wanting a 16ga Winchester Model 12 shotgun as a kid and saving the money only to have my stepdad "Soot the idea down"...anyway about 12 years ago I decided since my stepdad is no longer the boss of me...I bought a nice 1948 vintage 16ga Model 12. Well a few years ago, I was messing around on the auction site and looking at 16ga Model 12s, and I placed a lowball bid on a t 1941 vintage gun...won the bid and ended up with another nice original gun...only this one is a 30inch barrel...kind of a rare bird. I have kept it. I have never fired it...but I am thinking it may see duty this season...bird season opened here in Colorado Tuesday....I am twitching with anticipation to get to the mountains and chase grouse...
Keep us posted!

One of my dear, now departed, hunting buddies hunted quail with a 20ga. Model 12 for about as long as I’d known him (30+ years). Beautiful gun. He had the stocked refinished in oil. I shot it a bit and loved the way it handled. If their prices had not gotten so high, I’d have gotten myself one by now.

I once had a Wingmaster. Also a nice shotgun, but it never “fit” or felt as good to me as Jack’s Model 12.
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Post by Bloodhound » Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:26 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 am
Bloodhound wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:25 am
I have told the story before of wanting a 16ga Winchester Model 12 shotgun as a kid and saving the money only to have my stepdad "Soot the idea down"...anyway about 12 years ago I decided since my stepdad is no longer the boss of me...I bought a nice 1948 vintage 16ga Model 12. Well a few years ago, I was messing around on the auction site and looking at 16ga Model 12s, and I placed a lowball bid on a t 1941 vintage gun...won the bid and ended up with another nice original gun...only this one is a 30inch barrel...kind of a rare bird. I have kept it. I have never fired it...but I am thinking it may see duty this season...bird season opened here in Colorado Tuesday....I am twitching with anticipation to get to the mountains and chase grouse...
Keep us posted!

One of my dear, now departed, hunting buddies hunted quail with a 20ga. Model 12 for about as long as I’d known him (30+ years). Beautiful gun. He had the stocked refinished in oil. I shot it a bit and loved the way it handled. If their prices had not gotten so high, I’d have gotten myself one by now.

I once had a Wingmaster. Also a nice shotgun, but it never “fit” or felt as good to me as Jack’s Model 12.
I am a firm believer that the sub guage model 12 is one of the most natural feeling single barrel guns ever made. To get a better fit I think you have to go to a SxS...the 20ga have gone to a ridiculous price point...but the 16ga is built on the 20ga frame/receiver, and with the thinner barrel of the 16ga...it might be the sweet spot in the Model 12 line and still to be found sometimes in original condition for $300 or less. I have owned a few 12ga...but they seem bulky and more suited for ducks so I got rid of them and settled with a Model 12 Heavy Duck...a bruit of a gun...but fantastic in the blind.

I saw a 20ga that had a cut stock and the bluing worn to silver and a poly choke sell last month...it went for $695....crazy money for an old pump gun :)
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Post by JudgeRusty » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:10 pm

Bloodhound wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:26 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:16 am
Bloodhound wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:25 am
I have told the story before of wanting a 16ga Winchester Model 12 shotgun as a kid and saving the money only to have my stepdad "Soot the idea down"...anyway about 12 years ago I decided since my stepdad is no longer the boss of me...I bought a nice 1948 vintage 16ga Model 12. Well a few years ago, I was messing around on the auction site and looking at 16ga Model 12s, and I placed a lowball bid on a t 1941 vintage gun...won the bid and ended up with another nice original gun...only this one is a 30inch barrel...kind of a rare bird. I have kept it. I have never fired it...but I am thinking it may see duty this season...bird season opened here in Colorado Tuesday....I am twitching with anticipation to get to the mountains and chase grouse...
Keep us posted!

One of my dear, now departed, hunting buddies hunted quail with a 20ga. Model 12 for about as long as I’d known him (30+ years). Beautiful gun. He had the stocked refinished in oil. I shot it a bit and loved the way it handled. If their prices had not gotten so high, I’d have gotten myself one by now.

I once had a Wingmaster. Also a nice shotgun, but it never “fit” or felt as good to me as Jack’s Model 12.
I am a firm believer that the sub guage model 12 is one of the most natural feeling single barrel guns ever made. To get a better fit I think you have to go to a SxS...the 20ga have gone to a ridiculous price point...but the 16ga is built on the 20ga frame/receiver, and with the thinner barrel of the 16ga...it might be the sweet spot in the Model 12 line and still to be found sometimes in original condition for $300 or less. I have owned a few 12ga...but they seem bulky and more suited for ducks so I got rid of them and settled with a Model 12 Heavy Duck...a bruit of a gun...but fantastic in the blind.

I saw a 20ga that had a cut stock and the bluing worn to silver and a poly choke sell last month...it went for $695....crazy money for an old pump gun :)
I have been "married" to my Beretta 686 12 since I was able to get a deal on it about 20 years ago. However, it's a bit heavy in the field and a tad high on the comb for me as i had no modifications done to it.
I have my father's guns and one is a Field Grade L.C. Smith 12 from the 20s that is as tight as the day it was made. The comb is low and it points like a finger. Length of pull will need a good bit of adjustment, but it has my eye and I may need to begin shooting it regularly. I have to find my tool to confirm the chokes on it.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Thunktank » Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:14 pm

The best fitting shotgun I ever shouldered was an Aya sxs 16 gauge. It was selling for about $1900 with lite rust.

I’m lucky that Remington 870s fit me very well (for a slide action).
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