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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by JudgeRusty » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 am

Hovannes wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:42 pm
joegoat wrote:
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JudgeRusty wrote:Bump.
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My sons asked about plinking 22s and ridding some of the turtles from my pond. Although I have done it at steep angles and knowing the background, I cautioned against it explaining the usual dangers of shooting at water.

However, the pond has woods at least 100 yards deep on two sides for a backdrop and I am thinking the ricocheted 22 would lose a lot of energy. I also wondered if shorts or hollow points would make the endeavor even safer.

But what I know about ballistics would fit into a thimble, so I am asking you folks for thoughts.
Bullets only travel a very short distance under water. This is a proven fact. I'd imagine, unless they are being shot at an angle so shallow that they don't break the surface, they would either fragment or loose so much energy that a ricochet would be almost impossible. Just my theory.
I'd be willing to bet this topic has lots of internet gun geniuses waxing eloquent though. I wonder if a YouTube video doesn't exist.

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At a shallow angle, they can ricochet off flat water. Really,
My experience and research say both of you are correct. My question is whether shorts would have less energy upon ricochet and if hollow points might fragment upon ricochet? Or would the difference between them and LR be negligible?
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:30 am

JudgeRusty wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 am
Hovannes wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:42 pm
joegoat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:05 pm
JudgeRusty wrote:Bump.
Anyone?
JudgeRusty wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:21 pm
My sons asked about plinking 22s and ridding some of the turtles from my pond. Although I have done it at steep angles and knowing the background, I cautioned against it explaining the usual dangers of shooting at water.

However, the pond has woods at least 100 yards deep on two sides for a backdrop and I am thinking the ricocheted 22 would lose a lot of energy. I also wondered if shorts or hollow points would make the endeavor even safer.

But what I know about ballistics would fit into a thimble, so I am asking you folks for thoughts.
Bullets only travel a very short distance under water. This is a proven fact. I'd imagine, unless they are being shot at an angle so shallow that they don't break the surface, they would either fragment or loose so much energy that a ricochet would be almost impossible. Just my theory.
I'd be willing to bet this topic has lots of internet gun geniuses waxing eloquent though. I wonder if a YouTube video doesn't exist.

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At a shallow angle, they can ricochet off flat water. Really,
My experience and research say both of you are correct. My question is whether shorts would have less energy upon ricochet and if hollow points might fragment upon ricochet? Or would the difference between them and LR be negligible?
Gallery shorts should fragment, but then they'd probably fragment off a turtle's shell.Image
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by joegoat » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:34 am

Hovannes wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:05 pm
JudgeRusty wrote:Bump.
Anyone?
JudgeRusty wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:21 pm
My sons asked about plinking 22s and ridding some of the turtles from my pond. Although I have done it at steep angles and knowing the background, I cautioned against it explaining the usual dangers of shooting at water.

However, the pond has woods at least 100 yards deep on two sides for a backdrop and I am thinking the ricocheted 22 would lose a lot of energy. I also wondered if shorts or hollow points would make the endeavor even safer.

But what I know about ballistics would fit into a thimble, so I am asking you folks for thoughts.
Bullets only travel a very short distance under water. This is a proven fact. I'd imagine, unless they are being shot at an angle so shallow that they don't break the surface, they would either fragment or loose so much energy that a ricochet would be almost impossible. Just my theory.
I'd be willing to bet this topic has lots of internet gun geniuses waxing eloquent though. I wonder if a YouTube video doesn't exist.

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At a shallow angle, they can ricochet off flat water. Really,
It would be the same physics as skipping stones. Too steep an angle will cause the stone to break the surface tension. The shallow angle along with speed causes the skip.

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Thunktank » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:19 am

If I were to do turtle culling I would use my .22 caliber pellet gun with dome pellets. Head shots to 40 yards possible. Pellets shed energy very fast and are virtually harmless at anything beyond short range. But I have no doubt it would work on turtles. It can take out raccoons and fox. But I cannot imagine why I would cull turtles. I would be down to trying turtle soup come to think of it.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:22 am

joegoat wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:34 am
Hovannes wrote:
joegoat wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:05 pm
JudgeRusty wrote:Bump.
Anyone?
JudgeRusty wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:21 pm
My sons asked about plinking 22s and ridding some of the turtles from my pond. Although I have done it at steep angles and knowing the background, I cautioned against it explaining the usual dangers of shooting at water.

However, the pond has woods at least 100 yards deep on two sides for a backdrop and I am thinking the ricocheted 22 would lose a lot of energy. I also wondered if shorts or hollow points would make the endeavor even safer.

But what I know about ballistics would fit into a thimble, so I am asking you folks for thoughts.
Bullets only travel a very short distance under water. This is a proven fact. I'd imagine, unless they are being shot at an angle so shallow that they don't break the surface, they would either fragment or loose so much energy that a ricochet would be almost impossible. Just my theory.
I'd be willing to bet this topic has lots of internet gun geniuses waxing eloquent though. I wonder if a YouTube video doesn't exist.

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At a shallow angle, they can ricochet off flat water. Really,
It would be the same physics as skipping stones. Too steep an angle will cause the stone to break the surface tension. The shallow angle along with speed causes the skip.

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Post by Fainn » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:30 pm

Most local shops are sold out of ammo. Big surprise, but reccommendations on where to find .30 bullets?
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Mon Oct 26, 2020 6:34 pm

Fainn wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:30 pm
Most local shops are sold out of ammo. Big surprise, but reccommendations on where to find .30 bullets?
.30 Bullets for reloading, or .30 cal factory ammo?
Either way, good luck!
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Post by Hovannes » Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:34 am

The Webely- Fosbery Airsoft?
Will it come with a Myles Archer target?
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Post by joegoat » Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:07 pm

One of these is still on a gun shop shelf. Image

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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:34 pm

joegoat wrote:
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One of these is still on a gun shop shelf. Image

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Looks like a good way to skin the web of your hand :whistling:
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Bloodhound » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:40 am

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This was one of those guns that I just couldn't keep around. I have owned 5 of them...bought them for my usage and carry. Everytime I had one, someone would come to me with $$ and down the road the SIG would go...the P230 is just one of those guns that feels good in the hand. Prices have gone up...so I may be done with them...but it was good merchandise for me back when the prices were reasonable
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Post by Bloodhound » Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:44 am

Well its been a bleak hunting season for me. Didn't get a Muzzleloader deer. didn't get any mountain grouse. Got 2 cottontails but that is the only meat.

The club where our cabin is has a wood/burn pile dump...but with the fire bans/danger in Colorado this summer no burning is taking place. The club facilities chairman asked if I would mind thinning the Pack Rat population at the pile.

Many many pack rats were "ended"

Went through 50 rounds with another member and we piled the bodies up for the eagles/foxes/coyotes.

Never would have thought there were that many pack rats around.

My shooting partner was using his Winchester 69A and I had my Winchester 72...only picture is of my rifle. Sorry we didn't plan on making a day of it...so we didn't have a camera with us.

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Post by joegoat » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Bloodhound wrote:
joegoat wrote:
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One of these is still on a gun shop shelf. Image

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This was one of those guns that I just couldn't keep around. I have owned 5 of them...bought them for my usage and carry. Everytime I had one, someone would come to me with $$ and down the road the SIG would go...the P230 is just one of those guns that feels good in the hand. Prices have gone up...so I may be done with them...but it was good merchandise for me back when the prices were reasonable
I just have a thing for blowback operated guns like this.

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Post by Hovannes » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:42 pm

Well, it seems that I've succumbed to the Wilson Combat siren.
Wilson Combat is an outfit that makes tweaked pistols, magazines and accessories for special forces, SWAT, Secret Service and FBI units---all extremely expensive and in my opinion, overkill, especially when it comes to reliable old chargers like the 1911.
Last March I renewed my CCW and was looking for upgrades for my 1911 since it isn't very convenient to conceal, if needed, and 7 rounds(8 with one up the spout) isn't in the same ball park as Glocks with considerably more magazine capacity. The thing is, 8 round magazine don't have the record for reliability 7 rounders do in 1911s.
I asked a 1911 aficionado I respect for ideas that wouldn't break the bank, "bit the bullet" so to speak and tried the gear out.
I'm impressed!
The Wilson Combat Lo-profile holster is thin and comfortable. It is an OWB pancake design and conceals very well under a sweatshirt, sweater, and any untucked shirt like an Aloha, Guayabera , fishing, bowling, team jersey etc...
I also picked up two new stainless steel 8 round(9 with one up the spout) magazines that certainly build confidence. These are Chip McCormick(recently taken over by Wilson Combat) Match magazines which permit me to carry two extra rounds for a total of 17 between the two magazine.

The holster was a good deal compared with a custom holster I had been considering, and was in stock for $70 less than the custom which would have taken approximately five months to get delivered. The magazines were a bit more than my usual plain steel CheckMates but if I should actually ever need two more rounds to defend my family, it would be well worth the few extra bucks, and being stainless should offer a good long service life.
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Re: GUNS! That's what's happenin'!

Post by Hovannes » Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:45 pm

Bloodhound wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:44 am
Well its been a bleak hunting season for me. Didn't get a Muzzleloader deer. didn't get any mountain grouse. Got 2 cottontails but that is the only meat.

The club where our cabin is has a wood/burn pile dump...but with the fire bans/danger in Colorado this summer no burning is taking place. The club facilities chairman asked if I would mind thinning the Pack Rat population at the pile.

Many many pack rats were "ended"

Went through 50 rounds with another member and we piled the bodies up for the eagles/foxes/coyotes.

Never would have thought there were that many pack rats around.

My shooting partner was using his Winchester 69A and I had my Winchester 72...only picture is of my rifle. Sorry we didn't plan on making a day of it...so we didn't have a camera with us.

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The 72 is a darned fine shooting rifle!
At least the one I had he pleasure to shoot was :D
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Post by durangopipe » Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:36 pm

Hovannes wrote:
Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:45 pm
Bloodhound wrote:
Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:44 am
Well its been a bleak hunting season for me. Didn't get a Muzzleloader deer. didn't get any mountain grouse. Got 2 cottontails but that is the only meat.

The club where our cabin is has a wood/burn pile dump...but with the fire bans/danger in Colorado this summer no burning is taking place. The club facilities chairman asked if I would mind thinning the Pack Rat population at the pile.

Many many pack rats were "ended"

Went through 50 rounds with another member and we piled the bodies up for the eagles/foxes/coyotes.

Never would have thought there were that many pack rats around.

My shooting partner was using his Winchester 69A and I had my Winchester 72...only picture is of my rifle. Sorry we didn't plan on making a day of it...so we didn't have a camera with us.

Image
The 72 is a darned fine shooting rifle!
At least the one I had he pleasure to shoot was :D
Sounds like a lot of fun.
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Post by Stanley76 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:50 am

I'm tired of guns. I can't wait to surrender mine to the government.
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Post by JimVH » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:46 pm

My brother in law died a few years ago leaving the family heirloom guns to my wife. We were told they were all old, rusted, and broken and had been kept just for sentiment. They’ve sat in a closet all this time wrapped in old sheets. Today, my grandson and I opened it all up to see what was there and had a fun surprise: Two .410s that are still in decent shape and functional. The nicest is a Stevens 167 pump. I cleaned it up and the action is tight and smooth. Except for some minor pitting the bluing is in pretty good shape. The barrel is rust free and the stock only has what I would call normal wear and tear. The other is an Ithica M-66 lever action single shot. It’s tight and smooth, also, but the bluing is rough and the stock looks like it was dragged through a briar patch.

We’re pretty excited. We know the 167’s family history, but the M-66 is a mystery. Based on what I could find on the web, they both date back to the late 60s-early 70s. It all made for a great afternoon.
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Post by joegoat » Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:57 pm

Stanley76 wrote:I'm tired of guns. I can't wait to surrender mine to the government.
I thought you had an unfortunate boating accident.

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Post by hugodrax » Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:18 pm

joegoat wrote:
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Stanley76 wrote:I'm tired of guns. I can't wait to surrender mine to the government.
I thought you had an unfortunate boating accident.

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