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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:08 am

durangopipe wrote:
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Made me think of JimVH:

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by Gabriel » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:40 pm

Score one for the Florida Crab. :)

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Re: The fishing thread

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Score one for the Florida Crab. :)

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:38 pm

The wonderful friend who'd left a really fine bamboo fly rod with me for the past few years took it home with him after his recent visit. It was a Leonard 38H, as fine a small stream 4wt. as ever existed. It had become, by far, my favorite small stream rod. In the past I've acquired a fair number of bamboo rods, but most of them are longer 5 wts. and up, and with the new budget regime here buying a rod the Leonard's equal was absolutely out of the question.

So . . .

I started watching eBay for a good buy on a Zhu 6'6" 3wt.

The Zhu rods are Chinese rods that won't win any snob appeal points, but they actually cast and fish quite well. The shipping is high on them ($37.50), but the prices vary considerably depending on how well you do at auction. Typically they sell for somewhere between $125 and $200.

I put a lowball bid in on one and managed to get it for $56.00 and change!

I've had it out on the casting lawn and it is really quite sweet with a DT-3, and balanced nicely with this Hardy Featherweight reel I've had for many years.

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Maybe I'll get a chance to get up into the high country with it before the aspen lose their color and before the snow falls.
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:50 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:38 pm
The wonderful friend who'd left a really fine bamboo fly rod with me for the past few years took it home with him after his recent visit. It was a Leonard 38H, as fine a small stream 4wt. as ever existed. It had become, by far, my favorite small stream rod. In the past I've acquired a fair number of bamboo rods, but most of them are longer 5 wts. and up, and with the new budget regime here buying a rod the Leonard's equal was absolutely out of the question.

So . . .

I started watching eBay for a good buy on a Zhu 6'6" 3wt.

The Zhu rods are Chinese rods that won't win any snob appeal points, but they actually cast and fish quite well. Theyshipping is high on them ($37.50), but the prices vary considerably depending on how well you do at auction. Typically they sell for somewhere between $125 and $200.

I put a lowball bid in on one and managed to get it for $56.00 and change!

I've had it out on the casting lawn and it is really quite sweet with a DT-3, and balanced nicely with this Hardy Featherweight reel I've had for many years.

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Maybe I'll get a chance to get up into the high country with it before the aspen lose their color and before the snow falls.
Nice find. I've been watching for those, but rarely see them on ebay. They're $199 on Amazon.

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:08 pm

JimVH wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:50 pm
Nice find. I've been watching for those, but rarely see them on ebay. They're $199 on Amazon.
Keep watching, Jim.
If you’re patient, you should eventually see a new one listed and hopefully get a good deal.

I also have the 7 1/2’ 5 wt. and the 8’ 6 wt. that are quite nice, and while I’ve always fished my cane without excessive regard for the occasional nick or scratch, it’s nice to have some good bamboo rods that you won’t want to shoot yourselves over if you snap a tip, or more likely, slam in a car door.

The 7’ 4 wt. is a little soft and slow for my taste. I sold mine to a friend who liked it.

The ones I kept cast as well as a lot of very expensive classic cane rods, and they cost - as you know - a fraction of the classic rod’s cost.
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by Bloodhound » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:17 am

A great looking rod and that Hardy reel looks perfect! Congrats
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by FredS » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:24 am

I have a Headwaters 7'-6" 2 pc 5wt rod that I think is a rebranded Zhu rod. It looks just like DP's new rod except it's down-locking. I have no experience with other cane rods so I have no points of reference but I like it just fine.
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:30 am

FredS wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:24 am
I have a Headwaters 7'-6" 2 pc 5wt rod that I think is a rebranded Zhu rod. It looks just like DP's new rod except it's down-locking. I have no experience with other cane rods so I have no points of reference but I like it just fine.
It is.
And it is a great rod.
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by Dlibbon » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:21 pm

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by Gabriel » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:56 pm

Not fishing yet, but Mrs Gabriel talked me into taking that family on a last minute camping trip to a county park.

Fishing tomorrow.

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:06 am

Gabriel wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:56 pm
Not fishing yet, but Mrs Gabriel talked me into taking that family on a last minute camping trip to a county park.

Fishing tomorrow.

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Great pic. (Pretty cool wife, too)

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:11 am

So, if I took a short early morning morning canoe trip, smoked some PA, and caught a great largemouth on a clouser minnow, but didn’t take any pictures... did it really happen?
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:03 pm

Gabriel wrote:
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So, if I took a short early morning morning canoe trip, smoked some PA, and caught a great largemouth on a clouser minnow, but didn’t take any pictures... did it really happen?
I believe you.
Sounds wonderful.
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:04 pm

Dlibbon wrote:
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:21 pm
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Nice!
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:13 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:08 pm
JimVH wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:50 pm
Nice find. I've been watching for those, but rarely see them on ebay. They're $199 on Amazon.
Keep watching, Jim.
If you’re patient, you should eventually see a new one listed and hopefully get a good deal.

I also have the 7 1/2’ 5 wt. and the 8’ 6 wt. that are quite nice, and while I’ve always fished my cane without excessive regard for the occasional nick or scratch, it’s nice to have some good bamboo rods that you won’t want to shoot yourselves over if you snap a tip, or more likely, slam in a car door.

The 7’ 4 wt. is a little soft and slow for my taste. I sold mine to a friend who liked it.

The ones I kept cast as well as a lot of very expensive classic cane rods, and they cost - as you know - a fraction of the classic rod’s cost.
I just got an 8' 6wt with two tips for $41. Saved enough to start looking for a reel.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:35 pm

JimVH wrote:
Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:13 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:08 pm
JimVH wrote:
Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:50 pm
Nice find. I've been watching for those, but rarely see them on ebay. They're $199 on Amazon.
Keep watching, Jim.
If you’re patient, you should eventually see a new one listed and hopefully get a good deal.

I also have the 7 1/2’ 5 wt. and the 8’ 6 wt. that are quite nice, and while I’ve always fished my cane without excessive regard for the occasional nick or scratch, it’s nice to have some good bamboo rods that you won’t want to shoot yourselves over if you snap a tip, or more likely, slam in a car door.

The 7’ 4 wt. is a little soft and slow for my taste. I sold mine to a friend who liked it.

The ones I kept cast as well as a lot of very expensive classic cane rods, and they cost - as you know - a fraction of the classic rod’s cost.
I just got an 8' 6wt with two tips for $41. Saved enough to start looking for a reel.

Thanks for the heads-up.
Fantastic!
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:31 pm

So, I’m setting-up an old Shakespeare Automatic 1821 fly reel (grateful nod to Bloodhound). The old line was tied directly to the spool, without any backing, and it took-up most of the spool space. How important is adding backing? Any tricks I need to know? The plan is load it with 6wt line to go on an old-ish fiberglass Browning Silaflex rod.

Also, I found an ebay deal on a Pflueger Medalist 1495 DA with an extra spool. If I understand what I read about aging them, it’s from the early 70’s. It is in remarkable shape and everything works smoothly. Do I need to do anything other than a good clean and lube?

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Re: The fishing thread

Post by durangopipe » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:07 pm

JimVH wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:31 pm
So, I’m setting-up an old Shakespeare Automatic 1821 fly reel (grateful nod to Bloodhound). The old line was tied directly to the spool, without any backing, and it took-up most of the spool space. How important is adding backing? Any tricks I need to know? The plan is load it with 6wt line to go on an old-ish fiberglass Browning Silaflex rod.

Also, I found an ebay deal on a Pflueger Medalist 1495 DA with an extra spool. If I understand what I read about aging them, it’s from the early 70’s. It is in remarkable shape and everything works smoothly. Do I need to do anything other than a good clean and lube?
Backing is important for two reasons:

On those older reels with small arbors, backing increases the diameter of the cylinder the line is wound around, and this keeps it from kinking too badly.

When you catch a strong fish in heavy current you may well need it to keep from losing the fish.

The 1821 is a fairly small reel. You might want to save it for a lighter line weight rod.

A Pflueger Medalist 1495 would balance the cane rod very well. Clean it up, then use silicon grease on the spindle and latch release.


As for fitting a 6 wt. line on the Shakespeare, if you still want to do that:

If the line on the reel is old it may well be either a level line or a double taper. Both need a lot of space. If you replace the old line with a weight forward 6 it will require far less space than an equivalent level or double taper. If the line on there was a 6 or heavier, a WF-6 may fit just fine leaving room for backing.

If this still leaves little room for backing, it’s not likely you’ll often need to cast the 90’ length of a standard line. You can cut off 10’ or 20’ of the back end (running line) to make room for more backing. If you should need a 90’ cast, and can manage that with this rod, it is absolutely possible to shoot backing - it’s just a little harder to do line handling. But how likely are you to need to do that very often?

Finally, a little trick for filling the reel:

Wind the new line on backwards, tie on the backing and wind until it’s full.If you want more backing, unwind the backing, cut off some more running line, retie the backing, wind again until full.

Unwind the backing in BIG loops on the floor so it doesn’t tangle, tie the backing to the reel (use an arbor knot), rewind - Bingo, perfect fit.

Good luck!
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Re: The fishing thread

Post by JimVH » Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:21 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 8:07 pm
JimVH wrote:
Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:31 pm
So, I’m setting-up an old Shakespeare Automatic 1821 fly reel (grateful nod to Bloodhound). The old line was tied directly to the spool, without any backing, and it took-up most of the spool space. How important is adding backing? Any tricks I need to know? The plan is load it with 6wt line to go on an old-ish fiberglass Browning Silaflex rod.

Also, I found an ebay deal on a Pflueger Medalist 1495 DA with an extra spool. If I understand what I read about aging them, it’s from the early 70’s. It is in remarkable shape and everything works smoothly. Do I need to do anything other than a good clean and lube?
Backing is important for two reasons:

On those older reels with small arbors, backing increases the diameter of the cylinder the line is wound around, and this keeps it from kinking too badly.

When you catch a strong fish in heavy current you may well need it to keep from losing the fish.

But a few more things:

If the line on the reel is old it may well be either a level line or a double taper. Both need a lot of space. If you replace the old line with a weight forward 6 it will require far less space than an equivalent level or double taper. If the line on there was a 6 or heavier, a WF-6 may fit just fine leaving room for backing.

If this still leaves little room for backing, it’s not likely you’ll often need to cast the 90’ length of a standard line. You can cut off 10’ or 20’ of the back end (running line) to make room for more backing. If you should need a 90’ cast, and can manage that with this rod, it is absolutely possible to shoot backing - it’s just a little harder to do line handling. But how likely are you to need to do that very often?

Finally, a little trick for filling the reel:

Wind the new line on backwards, tie on the backing and wind until it’s full.If you want more backing, unwind the backing, cut off some more running line, retie the backing, wind again until full.

Unwind the backing in BIG loops on the floor so it doesn’t tangle, tie the backing to the reel (use an arbor knot), rewind - Bingo, perfect fit.

Good luck!
You are the bomb. That all makes perfect sense. Thanks. You just saved me a big headache.

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