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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:49 pm

Here’s one of my favorite steelhead flies, the Claret Guinea on sale for 90 cents:

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http://www.flydealflies.com/flies/claret_guinea.html

The hook (TMC 7999) would cost you around 75 cents!
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:31 pm

Yeah, those were all thoughts that went through my head at first. Anything I sold locally would probably be for display, unfortunately, so online selling would be my only real option. Just throwing stuff at the wall here.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:35 pm

On another subject, I revisited my pheasant conundrum from the previous page and came up with this:

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Execution needs some work, but I like the design. Baitfish type patterns are always useful around here.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:44 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:35 pm
On another subject, I revisited my pheasant conundrum from the previous page and came up with this:

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Execution needs some work, but I like the design. Baitfish type patterns are always useful around here.
I like it.
A pheasant skin is an endless source of inspiration, isn’t it!
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Post by Gabriel » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:05 pm

A better example.

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I am loving the challenges presented by having the whole skin. Hope to get some more next month. :)
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Post by JimVH » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:06 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:05 pm
A better example.

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I am loving the challenges presented by having the whole skin. Hope to get some more next month. :)
Beautiful.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

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Gabriel wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:05 pm
A better example.

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I am loving the challenges presented by having the whole skin. Hope to get some more next month. :)

Very nice.
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by Gabriel » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:49 pm

A couple more additions to the pheasant project. Upland Soft-hackle Streamers.

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Post by durangopipe » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:43 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:49 pm
A couple more additions to the pheasant project. Upland Soft-hackle Streamers.

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Look like killers to me!
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Post by Gabriel » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:18 pm

I hope so! I just discovered Jack Gartside, there’s a man who knew the value of a pheasant skin.
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Post by durangopipe » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:14 am

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Jack Gartside’s “float tube.”
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by FredS » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 am

Gabriel wrote:
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I hope so! I just discovered Jack Gartside, there’s a man who knew the value of a pheasant skin.
With his gurgler, he was one of the first to use the feathers from the Foam Feathered Fannie bird.
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Post by TwoXseveN » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:02 am

Has anyone listened to The Feather Heist?

Great story telling around a young fly tyer who stole a bunch of feathers from extinct birds.
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Post by UncleBob » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:22 am

TwoXseveN wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:02 am
Has anyone listened to The Feather Heist?

Great story telling around a young fly tyer who stole a bunch of feathers from extinct birds.
No but I read the book:
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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:30 pm

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The podcast is wonderful. The book is even more detailed and fantastic.

As interesting, to me, the hugely negative response the book received in the salmon fly tying community. Guilty consciences, I imagine.

If anyone is interested, here is how the book was discussed on The Classic Fly Rod Forum:

http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/vie ... ther+thief

True, the author didn’t address the fact that there are legal ways to acquire many of these rare feathers (zoos, for example, collect feathers from molting birds and sell them legally on the feather market). There are a few misleading moments and outright factual errors (ostrich herl, for example, is neither rare nor illegal to buy and possess), but that hardly negates the book’s main points - thieves and scoundrels often try to use a minor error in an indictment to discredit the greater, legitimate charge.

The big problem for fly tiers is the opacity of most exotic feathers’ provenance and the difficulty of knowing whether a feather you are buying is legal or not.

Still, the heist was condemnable. Many of the skin purchasers clearly knew they were buying stolen goods. And, in the end, any defense of either behavior is absurd.

Which is why virtually all of the salmon flies actually fished are “guide” flies tied with hair, fur and substitute feathers that fish better, hold up longer and possess far less moral ambiguity.
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Post by FredS » Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:16 pm

I've heard the story on TAL and read the book. The way Johnson set up this tale would be interesting to me even if I didn't tie or fish flies.
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Post by Gabriel » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:25 pm

So, I did bring down another pheasant today and have it skinned and covered in borax (the skin, not the bird). That worked well with my last one, but I can’t decide what to do with the wings. I don’t want to toss them if I don’t have to, and I’d rather not pluck them if I can preserve them.

Has anyone bothered to preserve pheasant wings? How did you do it, and was it successful?

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Post by TwoXseveN » Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:24 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:22 am
TwoXseveN wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:02 am
Has anyone listened to The Feather Heist?

Great story telling around a young fly tyer who stole a bunch of feathers from extinct birds.
No but I read the book:
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Post by Bloodhound » Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:58 am

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:25 pm
So, I did bring down another pheasant today and have it skinned and covered in borax (the skin, not the bird). That worked well with my last one, but I can’t decide what to do with the wings. I don’t want to toss them if I don’t have to, and I’d rather not pluck them if I can preserve them.

Has anyone bothered to preserve pheasant wings? How did you do it, and was it successful?

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Last season I ran into a similar question with my Blue Grouse wings. I posted it on a couple of fly fishing and tying forums and I got the name of a book...Fly-Tying Materials: Their Procurement, Use, and Protection by Eric Leiser...I got the book for $4 on Thrift Books.com and was disappointed. It is a good book, but it said to wrap the wing in paper towel and place in a zip-lock bag and freeze it for 15 to 20 days and that would dry it out.

Seemed to me to be an old school answer with questionable good or not so good results. I ended up plucking the feathers from the wings and saving them. There has to be an answer...maybe Youtube has a taxidermy tip video.

If you are interested in the book, I have seen it for cheap on amazon and thrift books and other book sale sites...its old school and has a lot of good info for finding and using materiels.

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Re: The Fly Tying Thread

Post by durangopipe » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:48 pm

Bloodhound wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 9:58 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:25 pm
So, I did bring down another pheasant today and have it skinned and covered in borax (the skin, not the bird). That worked well with my last one, but I can’t decide what to do with the wings. I don’t want to toss them if I don’t have to, and I’d rather not pluck them if I can preserve them.

Has anyone bothered to preserve pheasant wings? How did you do it, and was it successful?

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Gabe

Last season I ran into a similar question with my Blue Grouse wings. I posted it on a couple of fly fishing and tying forums and I got the name of a book...Fly-Tying Materials: Their Procurement, Use, and Protection by Eric Leiser...I got the book for $4 on Thrift Books.com and was disappointed. It is a good book, but it said to wrap the wing in paper towel and place in a zip-lock bag and freeze it for 15 to 20 days and that would dry it out.

Seemed to me to be an old school answer with questionable good or not so good results. I ended up plucking the feathers from the wings and saving them. There has to be an answer...maybe Youtube has a taxidermy tip video.

If you are interested in the book, I have seen it for cheap on amazon and thrift books and other book sale sites...its old school and has a lot of good info for finding and using materiels.

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Gabe . . .

I have dried them first by salting (borax is better) the joint and setting them out in sun in the dry Colorado air. We dry wild mushrooms on screens this way, and given our elevation and low humidity it works as well as a dehydrater. Then, I put them in the freezer for awhile, unwrapped.

After a week or two they have been dry enough to put into a Ziplock with the fly tying materials or bundle together for dog training.
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