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Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:11 pm
by arank87
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:42 pm
In fact, I just took the running boards of the truck and changed the fuel filter. Time for a cold one. Anyone who wants to come over and join me is welcome!

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Would that I could! I love that attitude by the way. When I sold beer for a living young beer nerds would be shocked when I professed my deep admiration for the big breweries’ technical prowess. Quality control can be art! Anyway cheers to all; drink and smoke what you like.

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:56 pm
by Thunktank
arank87 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:11 pm
Thunktank wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:42 pm
In fact, I just took the running boards of the truck and changed the fuel filter. Time for a cold one. Anyone who wants to come over and join me is welcome!

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Would that I could! I love that attitude by the way. When I sold beer for a living young beer nerds would be shocked when I professed my deep admiration for the big breweries’ technical prowess. Quality control can be art! Anyway cheers to all; drink and smoke what you like.
Yeah, I used to be a beer snob. I got over it. One of my favorite ales was made by a small brewery. It was all the rage in the San Diego beer scene in 2013. Miller Coors bought them in 2015. It still tastes good and now it’s easier to get and find. This is me chillin with the neighbors eating ribs one my neighbors made with with his Treager.

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Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:36 pm
by Hovannes
Me thinks when you drink enough beer, craft or industrial, the whole landscape---if it has trees---becomes a urinal when necessary.
A Special Forces Sargent I knew told me never spend a lot a money on beer because you're only rentingfor a short while.
I drink local, and never an IPA :barf2: (even though that is what they always seem to be pushing :evil: )

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:54 pm
by sweetandsour
Hovannes wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Me thinks when you drink enough beer, craft or industrial, the whole landscape---if it has trees---becomes a urinal when necessary.
A Special Forces Sargent I knew told me never spend a lot a money on beer because you're only rentingfor a short while.
I drink local, and never an IPA :barf2: (even though that is what they always seem to be pushing :evil: )
I've heard the "renting for a short time" logic applied to various items, whether drinking or eating.

Last week in Colorado Springs I drank a scotch ale from the local Bristol Brewery as always. Then an Agave Wheat, which is another local brew, with a burger for dinner, very nice. Thursday evening I joined some folks for dinner at a seafood boil place called Krabby's, and had a very nice IPA or two with the meal, and afterward was really craving a pipe. I could hardly wait to load up a bowl of Haddos Delight.

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:53 pm
by Hovannes
sweetandsour wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:54 pm
Hovannes wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:36 pm
Me thinks when you drink enough beer, craft or industrial, the whole landscape---if it has trees---becomes a urinal when necessary.
A Special Forces Sargent I knew told me never spend a lot a money on beer because you're only rentingfor a short while.
I drink local, and never an IPA :barf2: (even though that is what they always seem to be pushing :evil: )
I've heard the "renting for a short time" logic applied to various items, whether drinking or eating.

Last week in Colorado Springs I drank a scotch ale from the local Bristol Brewery as always. Then an Agave Wheat, which is another local brew, with a burger for dinner, very nice. Thursday evening I joined some folks for dinner at a seafood boil place called Krabby's, and had a very nice IPA or two with the meal, and afterward was really craving a pipe. I could hardly wait to load up a bowl of Haddos Delight.
I've enjoyed The Laughing Lab, the Bristol Brewery's Scotch Ale. Wonderful stuff! Sampling local brews sure make traveling fun!Image

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:31 am
by tuttle
arank87 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:37 pm
In my experience the number one challenger for startup breweries is talent. People underestimate just how terribly hard it is to make good beer consistently. This is the miracle of Miller Coors et al. They make “perfect” beer every single time. A small brewery may be good one week and atrocious the next. Consumers are very much a fool me once crowd.
arank87 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:11 pm
When I sold beer for a living young beer nerds would be shocked when I professed my deep admiration for the big breweries’ technical prowess. Quality control can be art! Anyway cheers to all; drink and smoke what you like.
I read a book about beer by a guy who used to work for Budweiser. He too lauded to the -nth degree their technical prowess. I've heard Jim Koch praise it among other craft brewers. And I certainly don't want to downplay it, but it always strikes me as funny that their consistency is nearly worldwide the only thing that's praised.

As an extremely amateur brewer, they have my appreciation. As a consumer I could care less about consistency if they consistently produce crappy beer :lol:

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:47 am
by Adam Z
arank87 wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:34 pm
My last post was way off topic, too long, and generally not in the tone I mean to share on this forum. You can’t delete posts apparently or I would.
I didn't think it was off topic or too long. Nothing wrong with the tone either IMO. Relax.

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:51 am
by Hovannes
Selling the same beer in Honolulu to San Juan, from Anchorage to Brownsville is one thing. Big Business like McDonalds, Pizza Hut, and Nabisco also thrive on that business model.
But it never seems to taste anywhere as good as the local stuff.
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Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:27 am
by FredS

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:51 am
by sweetandsour
Saw this in the news blurbs yesterday. Fort Collins views appeared to be mostly negative.

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:28 am
by tuttle
sweetandsour wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:51 am
Saw this in the news blurbs yesterday. Fort Collins views appeared to be mostly negative.
New Belgium produces some mighty fine beer. Some of my favorites.

There was also some initial hemhawing in KC when Boulevard was sold to Duvel. But things petered out. They've definitely expanded in a big way after the sale, brand-wise. And since the sale they've been branching out into other areas (cocktails, "sport" beer, etc), but I'd say they've become more integrated with KC than before. Now they have deals with the Royals and are seemingly sponsors of every big KC event. The beer stayed the same, the brand went bonkers. People here probably don't even think about it much anymore.

I did like the idea that New Belgium was independent though. Hope things work out for the best.

Another takeover that passed me by was Founders. Back in August a Spanish brewery purchased the majority stake. And the two have teamed up to purchase 40% of Avery Brewing (the Spanish company already owned 30%).

I mean, on one hand you just can't blame these guys. Start a business from scratch in an environment where the only other competition is a global monster. Build it up successfully for ten, twenty years, and then bigger fish come along and offer you boatloads of dough to acquire what you've made, most deals leaving you in charge still, probably with less work and more money. I doubt any of us would say no to that, especially when the bigger breweries seem to be stumbling over each other to get the next one.

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:46 am
by Hovannes
Lots of micro breweries here in CA. Usually found in warehouse units or the inner city where rent is cheap(er) and very heavy into IPA production. My neighborhood micro brewery has an 8 stool bar and a few deuces(two person tables) the adjoining service bay can be reconfigured for private functions with rented tables and chairs. For food they call in a taco truck and set up some picnic tables in a temporary "beer garden like" area defined by potted palms claiming three spaces in the parking lot. They've been going strong for four years now and are always busy when I've been there. Not an IPA fan but the pilsner and the lager are decent.
No bottling, if you want take home they make 16 oz Crowlers

Re: The Changing Landscape of Craft Beer

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:08 pm
by FredS
tuttle wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:28 am
sweetandsour wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:51 am
Saw this in the news blurbs yesterday. Fort Collins views appeared to be mostly negative.
New Belgium produces some mighty fine beer. Some of my favorites.

There was also some initial hemhawing in KC when Boulevard was sold to Duvel. But things petered out. They've definitely expanded in a big way after the sale, brand-wise. And since the sale they've been branching out into other areas (cocktails, "sport" beer, etc), but I'd say they've become more integrated with KC than before. Now they have deals with the Royals and are seemingly sponsors of every big KC event. The beer stayed the same, the brand went bonkers. People here probably don't even think about it much anymore.

I did like the idea that New Belgium was independent though. Hope things work out for the best.
Like Boulevard, New Belgium is very active in the community. They give a lot back and locals are pretty dedicated to them, so there's going to be some grumbling until we see how the new company behaves. We have dozens of craft brewers but they are the model and they set the tone for others to follow. New Belgium is a little less than 3 miles from my house and there are at least 5 other breweries and one distillery between here and there. They all have tap rooms of varying sizes, and most host food trucks, bands, and community events so they're mini community hubs. It's pretty neat. There's even a Drink With Your Dog program here to train you and your dog how to behave in the tap rooms.