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Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:08 pm

This is for an Ibanez Gio with only a neck and bridge pickup. 1 volume knob, 1 tone knob, and a 3 way tone switch.

I have my humbuckers mounted, pots and capicitor are on the way.
The humbuckers are Dragonfire Screamers and instructions are:
Black wire is ground (doesn't say what)
Bare wire is ground to the shield.
White and red wires are soldered together.
Green is output. (Does this mean to the jack?)

Also the current volume pot is grounded to a cavity just wide enough for the wire to pass through, but not connected to anything else.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by mcommini » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:50 pm

My electrical wiring knowledge is spotty, but this seems like a promising lead https://www.jemsite.com/forums/f35/anot ... 10579.html
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:38 am


Fainn wrote:This is for an Ibanez Gio with only a neck and bridge pickup. 1 volume knob, 1 tone knob, and a 3 way tone switch.

I have my humbuckers mounted, pots and capicitor are on the way.
The humbuckers are Dragonfire Screamers and instructions are:
Black wire is ground (doesn't say what)
Bare wire is ground to the shield.
White and red wires are soldered together.
Green is output. (Does this mean to the jack?)

Also the current volume pot is grounded to a cavity just wide enough for the wire to pass through, but not connected to anything else.
Back and bare get tinned together and soldered to a pot casing with all the other grounds. White and read are the hot from one coil and cold from another. You are wiring both coils of the humbucker in series this way. Green is out so that goes to a lug on your switch.

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by coco » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:37 am

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:39 pm

AnungUnRama wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:38 am
Fainn wrote:This is for an Ibanez Gio with only a neck and bridge pickup. 1 volume knob, 1 tone knob, and a 3 way tone switch.

I have my humbuckers mounted, pots and capicitor are on the way.
The humbuckers are Dragonfire Screamers and instructions are:
Black wire is ground (doesn't say what)
Bare wire is ground to the shield.
White and red wires are soldered together.
Green is output. (Does this mean to the jack?)

Also the current volume pot is grounded to a cavity just wide enough for the wire to pass through, but not connected to anything else.
Back and bare get tinned together and soldered to a pot casing with all the other grounds. White and read are the hot from one coil and cold from another. You are wiring both coils of the humbucker in series this way. Green is out so that goes to a lug on your switch.

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Does it matter which pot the black and bare go to?
Shouldn't something go to the tone pot?
What wires go to the jack?
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:41 pm

coco wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:37 am
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:32 am

Fainn wrote:
coco wrote:
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What movie were Michael Keaton and Martin Mull in?
I'm thinking that was Multiplicity. Great movie!

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:34 am

Fainn wrote:
AnungUnRama wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:38 am
Fainn wrote:This is for an Ibanez Gio with only a neck and bridge pickup. 1 volume knob, 1 tone knob, and a 3 way tone switch.

I have my humbuckers mounted, pots and capicitor are on the way.
The humbuckers are Dragonfire Screamers and instructions are:
Black wire is ground (doesn't say what)
Bare wire is ground to the shield.
White and red wires are soldered together.
Green is output. (Does this mean to the jack?)

Also the current volume pot is grounded to a cavity just wide enough for the wire to pass through, but not connected to anything else.
Back and bare get tinned together and soldered to a pot casing with all the other grounds. White and read are the hot from one coil and cold from another. You are wiring both coils of the humbucker in series this way. Green is out so that goes to a lug on your switch.

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Does it matter which pot the black and bare go to?
Shouldn't something go to the tone pot?
What wires go to the jack?
1) I don't think it matters. All grounds go to the same place ultimately.

2) your switch goes to the output jack. So, what ever is/are the common lug/s there go to the tip lug on the jack.

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by coco » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:52 pm

AnungUnRama wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:34 am
Fainn wrote:
AnungUnRama wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:38 am
Fainn wrote:This is for an Ibanez Gio with only a neck and bridge pickup. 1 volume knob, 1 tone knob, and a 3 way tone switch.

I have my humbuckers mounted, pots and capicitor are on the way.
The humbuckers are Dragonfire Screamers and instructions are:
Black wire is ground (doesn't say what)
Bare wire is ground to the shield.
White and red wires are soldered together.
Green is output. (Does this mean to the jack?)

Also the current volume pot is grounded to a cavity just wide enough for the wire to pass through, but not connected to anything else.
Back and bare get tinned together and soldered to a pot casing with all the other grounds. White and read are the hot from one coil and cold from another. You are wiring both coils of the humbucker in series this way. Green is out so that goes to a lug on your switch.

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Does it matter which pot the black and bare go to?
Shouldn't something go to the tone pot?
What wires go to the jack?
1) I don't think it matters. All grounds go to the same place ultimately.

2) your switch goes to the output jack. So, what ever is/are the common lug/s there go to the tip lug on the jack.

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Let's say you have five lugs connected by the same wire. All will be at (more or less) the same voltage. Everything connected to ground (the sleeve in a TRS jack) will be at zero volts (more or less).
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by sweetandsour » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:00 pm

Seems way too complicated. Just get an acoustic and play as God intended.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:12 pm

The jack will be even simpler as it is mono. Just TS. Fainn you can use a multimeter to find which lug on the pot is common or Google it (i personally don't ever remember which it is) and also to find which lug on the switch goes to what position.

Sometimes those blade switches are unnecessarily complicated and you have to jump two or more center lugs together and join both sides of your switch. A multimeter will tell you what's up. Since you're in there putzing around anyway, might as well get a good Switchcraft or DiMarzio part to go in place of the original. Ibanez seem to favor DiMarzio for OEM on their higher end units anyway.

Place the output of each pickup on the appropriate "in" lug on the switch. The common lug on the switch goes to the "tip" connection of the output jack. All grounds ultimately go to the sleeve of the output jack.

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:35 pm

I tried to unsolder the original toggle switch are ruined. So I and went with a similar retro looking toggle switch like on a Les Paul. It has three lugs.
So: The ground of each humbucker goes to the tone switch which goes to the output?
Do I reuse the extra wires with the original from the switch to the output?
What goes to the tone pot?

Also, the original had the tone cap placed almost directly on the tone pot, but wiring diagrams I have looked at place it connecting the two pots.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:18 am

Fainn wrote:
Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:35 pm
I tried to unsolder the original toggle switch are ruined. So I and went with a similar retro looking toggle switch like on a Les Paul. It has three lugs.
So: The ground of each humbucker goes to the tone switch which goes to the output?
Do I reuse the extra wires with the original from the switch to the output?
What goes to the tone pot?

Also, the original had the tone cap placed almost directly on the tone pot, but wiring diagrams I have looked at place it connecting the two pots.
There are about as many variations on pot wiring as there are armpits in the world, and if you were to ask anybody else they'd think everyone's but theirs stinks.

A toggle switch is easier to deal with than a blade switch generally speaking (unless you have one of those crazy 12 pole things like my Music Man John Petrucci model or my Jackson). A typical Les Paul toggle is super simple.

At this point Fainn you're probably better suited to google image the crap out of your quest and find something that looks like what you are trying to accomplish. Assuming single volume and tone control with the 3 way toggle this is a fairly straight forward installation.

FWIW, I've always put the tone cap between the ground lug and casing on the tone pot. No reason to jump pots with it although I've seen that in the wild *maybe* once.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by coco » Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:16 am

Just wire it like it's a Alembic.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:32 pm

I wanted to see if I could do it and couldn't. Even the nut I did is too low. Which is why I don't do any of my own repairs.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by AnungUnRama » Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:11 am

You just need more practice. I don't mess with the nut either. I just deal. Case in point, the Gibson I just got plays exactly like a Gibson, meaning it won't play in tune worth a crap. The break angle at the nut is the WORST. The strings bind up in there all the time. A graphite nut would help but I am just going to live with it.

Don't give up. Learn from what went wrong and try again. The first time I tried setting up my own Floyd cost me $80 to have someone else fix. I was 15 and that was a lot of dough. Now I am nearly 40 and I challenge you to find someone who can set up a Floyd as well as I can. That isn't pride, it is just truth (and years of practice).

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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:25 pm

Hey at least I tried I'm going to try to take it to somebody.if it's worth it otherwise I put the money into a guitar down the road
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Adam Z » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:26 pm

coco wrote:Just wire it like it's a Alembic.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Thu Oct 22, 2020 10:42 pm

AnungUnRama wrote:
Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:11 am
You just need more practice. I don't mess with the nut either. I just deal. Case in point, the Gibson I just got plays exactly like a Gibson, meaning it won't play in tune worth a crap. The break angle at the nut is the WORST. The strings bind up in there all the time. A graphite nut would help but I am just going to live with it.

Don't give up. Learn from what went wrong and try again. The first time I tried setting up my own Floyd cost me $80 to have someone else fix. I was 15 and that was a lot of dough. Now I am nearly 40 and I challenge you to find someone who can set up a Floyd as well as I can. That isn't pride, it is just truth (and years of practice).

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I think I have the nut sorted out. The electronics were importants as I wanted some basic understanding since the shipyards are always hiring electricians and welders apprentices.
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Re: Electrical Wiring

Post by Fainn » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:43 am

I will say the sheilding was excellent work. At least I think so, but won't know for sure until everything else is working. I used a Wendy's straw wrapped in copper foil to go cover the humbucker wires and ease them through the tunnels. I feel fairly smart about coming up with that idea.
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