Happy

[Fainn]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

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[Goose55]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

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I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

[Adam Z]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

[FredS]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

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I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

[Thunktank]

I’ve left churches a few times, I can relate.

[Fainn]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

[Goose55]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

[Nature of a Man]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

I'd argue it's more nuanced than that.

However, when one actually defines "torment" or "torture", the word actually relates to "tort", as in the legal sense. So it implies a loss of something one possesses.

In that sense, torture is simply the natural consequence and end of being wicked to begin with, and wishing to hold onto or "grasp" something which isn't theirs, such as in the cases of various vices such as greed and lust which lead to misery.

When something burns, its structure breaks apart, and it loses its form, or parts which it possessed - so torture by fire would really be akin to a loss on a material level - which implies to me that the pain in question even in that scenario would be the natural result of materialistic desires and vices which lead to valuing those things over God to begin with.

So ultimately, if one was tortured for eternity, I would view it as their choice in the matter, and the result of their materialism, and something which could have been avoided had one chosen differently.

[hugodrax]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

I'd argue it's more nuanced than that.

However, when one actually defines "torment" or "torture", the word actually relates to "tort", as in the legal sense. So it implies a loss of something one possesses.

In that sense, torture is simply the natural consequence and end of being wicked to begin with, and wishing to hold onto or "grasp" something which isn't theirs, such as in the cases of various vices such as greed and lust which lead to misery.

When something burns, its structure breaks apart, and it loses its form, or parts which it possessed - so torture by fire would really be akin to a loss on a material level - which implies to me that the pain in question even in that scenario would be the natural result of materialistic desires and vices which lead to valuing those things over God to begin with.

So ultimately, if one was tortured for eternity, I would view it as their choice in the matter, and the result of their materialism, and something which could have been avoided had one chosen differently.

Thread name: Happy. Forum: testimonies.

Why you poop on happy testimonies??

[FredS]

I hope you're enjoying the advent season with your new congregation Fainn. Perhaps even celebrating the season with a renewed sense of wonder as we await the coming of the Christ.

That this is your babies first Christmas also must bring a new sense of joy that you may not have felt for a while.

[tuttle]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

I'd argue it's more nuanced than that.

However, when one actually defines "torment" or "torture", the word actually relates to "tort", as in the legal sense. So it implies a loss of something one possesses.

In that sense, torture is simply the natural consequence and end of being wicked to begin with, and wishing to hold onto or "grasp" something which isn't theirs, such as in the cases of various vices such as greed and lust which lead to misery.

When something burns, its structure breaks apart, and it loses its form, or parts which it possessed - so torture by fire would really be akin to a loss on a material level - which implies to me that the pain in question even in that scenario would be the natural result of materialistic desires and vices which lead to valuing those things over God to begin with.

So ultimately, if one was tortured for eternity, I would view it as their choice in the matter, and the result of their materialism, and something which could have been avoided had one chosen differently.

Thread name: Happy. Forum: testimonies.

Why you poop on happy testimonies??

[Cleon]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

I'd argue it's more nuanced than that.

However, when one actually defines "torment" or "torture", the word actually relates to "tort", as in the legal sense. So it implies a loss of something one possesses.

In that sense, torture is simply the natural consequence and end of being wicked to begin with, and wishing to hold onto or "grasp" something which isn't theirs, such as in the cases of various vices such as greed and lust which lead to misery.

When something burns, its structure breaks apart, and it loses its form, or parts which it possessed - so torture by fire would really be akin to a loss on a material level - which implies to me that the pain in question even in that scenario would be the natural result of materialistic desires and vices which lead to valuing those things over God to begin with.

So ultimately, if one was tortured for eternity, I would view it as their choice in the matter, and the result of their materialism, and something which could have been avoided had one chosen differently.

Thread name: Happy. Forum: testimonies.

Why you poop on happy testimonies??

How about a compromise? Happy poop!

[Adam Z]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Pietism is an ideology that is preoccupied with piety. It is that approach to Christianity that is preoccupied with the interior of the Christian life. Should is pietism's main focus. It is about what we should be doing, and how we should go about doing it and where we should be as compared to where we are. Pietism specializes in pointing out the exact distance between should and am. The issue with pietism is not only what it emphasizes, but also what it minimizes. The concern is that Christ's work stands more in the background than in the foreground (Colossians 2:20-23). Most information and instruction within pietism is aimed at how to live. Duty overshadows identity. Pietism begins with the question "What must I do?" Thus, obligation precedes assurance, and this order of priorities leads to a confusion of theological categories and despair in the life of the believer.

[durangopipe]

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I have been happier than I've been in years.

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Your shared expression of joy bears repeating, Fainn.
It was a gift to all of us.

A truly heartfelt, thank you.

The fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Rejoice in it!
Wallow in it!

As for the matters of doctrine that are difficult, sometimes I have to remind myself: although there is a great deal I do not know, by far the most important things I do know. God loves me. My debt is paid.

I don’t need to understand the finer points of doctrine, root words in Greek or Hebrew, the techniques of translation or exegesis or hermeneutics ... to know this. I live in gratitude for that which I know, not in despair over what I do not (which is a LOT).

God loves me.
My debt is paid.

It’s fun to think about and discuss theology. But whenever it becomes a distraction, I go there.

[Nature of a Man]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Pietism is an ideology that is preoccupied with piety. It is that approach to Christianity that is preoccupied with the interior of the Christian life. Should is pietism's main focus. It is about what we should be doing, and how we should go about doing it and where we should be as compared to where we are. Pietism specializes in pointing out the exact distance between should and am. The issue with pietism is not only what it emphasizes, but also what it minimizes. The concern is that Christ's work stands more in the background than in the foreground (Colossians 2:20-23). Most information and instruction within pietism is aimed at how to live. Duty overshadows identity. Pietism begins with the question "What must I do?" Thus, obligation precedes assurance, and this order of priorities leads to a confusion of theological categories and despair in the life of the believer.

Ah, so something similar to a "salvation through works" worldview?

[Nature of a Man]

Pietism... ugh. Glad to hear you've been liberated from that, Fainn.

How do you define Pietism just for the record? I did a quick Google and didn't find a workable term.

Since breaking up with Messianic Judaism, I hav er been happier than I've been in years.

Sent from my SM-J337A using Tapatalk

I became acquainted with a lady, a Sephardic (Spanish) Jew who was Messianic. I got the impression she was not very confident about her salvation.

My prayer for Fainn is that he will be released from the feelings of guilt and uncertain salvation as he discovers new revaluation in his new church home. You're still carrying the feeling that God is punishing you for past sins. While it's certainly true that we carry the scars of our past, the punishment has been laid at the foot of the cross. It's done Fainn. Over. Paid in full. Go forward with the full knowledge that you are His child and every day is a new opportunity to be better than yesterday. You won't always be happy - the 'new' will wear off a little - but you should always have certainty that He won't abandon you.

Yeah, I know the honeymoon period will be over at some point.

No church is perfect. There are some real doctrinal issues I have with evangelical Christianity. One of them, the compulsive insistence upon seeing "hell" as literal eternal conscious torment. This is not trustworthy biblical hermeneutics, for there is much in scripture that shows the wicked will cease to exist.

I'd argue it's more nuanced than that.

However, when one actually defines "torment" or "torture", the word actually relates to "tort", as in the legal sense. So it implies a loss of something one possesses.

In that sense, torture is simply the natural consequence and end of being wicked to begin with, and wishing to hold onto or "grasp" something which isn't theirs, such as in the cases of various vices such as greed and lust which lead to misery.

When something burns, its structure breaks apart, and it loses its form, or parts which it possessed - so torture by fire would really be akin to a loss on a material level - which implies to me that the pain in question even in that scenario would be the natural result of materialistic desires and vices which lead to valuing those things over God to begin with.

So ultimately, if one was tortured for eternity, I would view it as their choice in the matter, and the result of their materialism, and something which could have been avoided had one chosen differently.

Thread name: Happy. Forum: testimonies.

Why you poop on happy testimonies??

I believe that "eternal torment" is a legitimate concept, but that it's the result of the way one chooses to live - so that's the happy part, people have the ability to choose to "succeed or fail" by virtue of their actions.

[Bobm5586]

Eternal torment is a result of not accepting Christ payment for our sin on the cross.
Read his word to us, keep in prayer, repent, and surrender your life to him.
Religion itself doesn't save

[Nature of a Man]

Eternal torment is a result of not accepting Christ payment for our sin on the cross.
Read his word to us, keep in prayer, repent, and surrender your life to him.
Religion itself doesn't save

I think I will take his advice and return to the happy note, instead of discuss this tangent deeper here.