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2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:40 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:36 pm
If we're posting possibilities for a future POY in the form of a straight, diamond shank bulldog . . .

I rather like the Peterson take on it in the 150. The older pipes with the narrower button appeal to me very much. The Rosslare is the newer style stem. The Donegal has the old style stem:

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Please note, I've had the older bulldog for more than a year and not broken it.
Yet.

FWIW, 2007 POY was a Peterson 150.
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by ReverendThom » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:00 pm

Hmmmm this makes me think, though ... what if we did 2 POYs in honour of Rusty? A bulldog & a Rhodesian ?! :lol: He'd love it. Though I suppose 2 pipes really isn't feasible for most, myself included. Hey! We could have 2 to choose from, but you only have to get 1.
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by gaining_age » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:10 pm

We're on the same wavelength Rev...


I don't know if this is feasible or what it would be (as a pipe)-- but maybe we could do a Rusty tribute pipe for 2018 POY. I'd go in-- maybe we can have overflow go toward the charity his wife mentioned in the news of Rusty's passing thread.

The head scratcher-- what would a tribute pipe to Rusty look like? And could CPS come up with it without a lot of the usual disagreements? Perhaps if we do discuss we could give it lucid thoughts and clear writing as we discuss pros and cons.


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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by hugodrax » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:26 pm

He had some Blatter round pencil shanked Bulldogs that sang to me.
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Post by DepartedLight » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:33 pm

I'd like to be counted among the really interested group. If this shape holds, I'll move to the put my name on that list group.

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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by Bloodhound » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:34 pm

gaining_age wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:10 pm

I don't know if this is feasible or what it would be (as a pipe)-- but maybe we could do a Rusty tribute pipe for 2018 POY. I'd go in-- maybe we can have overflow go toward the charity his wife mentioned in the news of Rusty's passing thread
I would be all for something along these lines & A bulldog or a Rhodesian shape sounds right.
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by Cleon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:06 pm

Taper stem or saddle stem? Personally, I like taper stems on a straight bulldog.

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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:24 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:26 pm
He had some Blatter round pencil shanked Bulldogs that sang to me.
Damn skippy!
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm

Cleon wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:06 pm
Taper stem or saddle stem? Personally, I like taper stems on a straight bulldog.

Blakemar Briars makes traditional shapes at a good price.
Blakemar should definitely be on the first list:
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Post by Bloodhound » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:32 pm

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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by Cleon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:40 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:26 pm
He had some Blatter round pencil shanked Bulldogs that sang to me.
Did he post photos? I can't find any.
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by hugodrax » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:55 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:06 pm
Taper stem or saddle stem? Personally, I like taper stems on a straight bulldog.

Blakemar Briars makes traditional shapes at a good price.
Blakemar should definitely be on the first list:
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The bottom one looks like something he'd have gone for, don't you think, Bob?
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:01 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:55 pm
UncleBob wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm
Cleon wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:06 pm
Taper stem or saddle stem? Personally, I like taper stems on a straight bulldog.

Blakemar Briars makes traditional shapes at a good price.
Blakemar should definitely be on the first list:
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The bottom one looks like something he'd have gone for, don't you think, Bob?
I think so. Blakemar calls that shape the "Moffat"; specifically, the Moffat semi-bent.
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Post by hugodrax » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm

Found it. Having trouble posting. It's on the Canadian Pipe makers thread.
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Post by UncleBob » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm

Any other ideas for POY?
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Post by ReverendThom » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:02 pm

hugodrax wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm
Found it. Having trouble posting. It's on the Canadian Pipe makers thread.
Here's the whole post:
Rusty wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:01 am
John-Boy wrote:Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you. It's Turkey and orange vegetable day.

Calich was most obviously influenced by Charatan and some of his of classic shapes were in fact classic Charatan shapes. We talked about this. For example, his Dublins were almost uniformly Bell Dublins, which was Charatan's flagship shape. And there were other symptoms too. He would sometimes employ a bit more cant to the bowl and/or make longer shanks which is another Charatan characteristic that Upshall exhibits too. There was a fluidity to shape that is shared with the Charatan makers. There was also the extensive use of Greek briar which late Charatan and Upshall share. It's a very similar break-in. My Calich pipes are all from the 70's and 80's.
Brigham made their own take on classic shapes that weren't easily identified as influenced by any particular pipe maker. The shapes were much more fixed and less fluid than, say Calich's. But they were a factory operation. My Brigham pipes are all from the 70's.
Blatter was always closer to St. Claude France and I think Robert Blatter makes shapes that look like a particular style of Butz Choquin pipes from the late 60's to early 70's. BC doesn't make anything like those anymore so I think it was a particular carver working for BC at the time. It still exists in Robert's pipes. The big Lovat in the pipe case below is a typical example. Patrick Blatter exhibits a more contemporary Danish influence along with his Uncle's influence. This applies to their hand made Select pipes. They also have a couple lines of classic shapes that are pretty much fixed shapes.

Have a look at the Blatter pipes http://www.blatterpipes.com/cat.htm

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The Apple and the Lovat are Blatter pipes. The Lovat is a Select from 1987 and the Apple from 2005 & is from their Regular line.

Here's an interesting example of Upshall, Calich and Blatter and the longer shanks are obvious.

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From left to right they are:
Peterson Baker in an Ebony Finish from the late 90's - this is the closest in proportions to a classic Large Bulldog
Brigham VIP from '73
Upshall Tilshead from the early '90's
Calich grade 8 from '82
Calich grade 11 (in Calabrian briar) from '86 (Rhodesian)
Blatter Select 2002
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by hugodrax » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:14 pm

ReverendThom wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:02 pm
hugodrax wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm
Found it. Having trouble posting. It's on the Canadian Pipe makers thread.
Here's the whole post:
Rusty wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:01 am
John-Boy wrote:Happy Thanksgiving.
Thank you. It's Turkey and orange vegetable day.

Calich was most obviously influenced by Charatan and some of his of classic shapes were in fact classic Charatan shapes. We talked about this. For example, his Dublins were almost uniformly Bell Dublins, which was Charatan's flagship shape. And there were other symptoms too. He would sometimes employ a bit more cant to the bowl and/or make longer shanks which is another Charatan characteristic that Upshall exhibits too. There was a fluidity to shape that is shared with the Charatan makers. There was also the extensive use of Greek briar which late Charatan and Upshall share. It's a very similar break-in. My Calich pipes are all from the 70's and 80's.
Brigham made their own take on classic shapes that weren't easily identified as influenced by any particular pipe maker. The shapes were much more fixed and less fluid than, say Calich's. But they were a factory operation. My Brigham pipes are all from the 70's.
Blatter was always closer to St. Claude France and I think Robert Blatter makes shapes that look like a particular style of Butz Choquin pipes from the late 60's to early 70's. BC doesn't make anything like those anymore so I think it was a particular carver working for BC at the time. It still exists in Robert's pipes. The big Lovat in the pipe case below is a typical example. Patrick Blatter exhibits a more contemporary Danish influence along with his Uncle's influence. This applies to their hand made Select pipes. They also have a couple lines of classic shapes that are pretty much fixed shapes.

Have a look at the Blatter pipes http://www.blatterpipes.com/cat.htm

Image
The Apple and the Lovat are Blatter pipes. The Lovat is a Select from 1987 and the Apple from 2005 & is from their Regular line.

Here's an interesting example of Upshall, Calich and Blatter and the longer shanks are obvious.

Image
From left to right they are:
Peterson Baker in an Ebony Finish from the late 90's - this is the closest in proportions to a classic Large Bulldog
Brigham VIP from '73
Upshall Tilshead from the early '90's
Calich grade 8 from '82
Calich grade 11 (in Calabrian briar) from '86 (Rhodesian)
Blatter Select 2002
Thanks. They're pretty good examples of his taste in long shanked Dogs, I think. Love them.
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Post by wosbald » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:26 pm

+JMJ+
Rusty wrote:
Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:33 pm
Rusty's Dawgs, Rhodies & reasonable facsimiles

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I think that's all of them.
(1) Ashton
(1) Large Austrian Hand Made
(1) Blatter
(2) Brigham
(3) Calich
(1) Comoy
(1) Ferndown
(2) Peterson
(2) Savinelli
(2) Upshall
(2) Wessex




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Post by durangopipe » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:57 pm

Last two posts . . .
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Re: 2018 CPS POY Brain Stormin' Thread

Post by FredS » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:01 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:46 pm
Any other ideas for POY?
I could go for a Canadian, but that might be weird.
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