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Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:46 am

Ever have a pipe that sweats/condensates where the stem meets the mortise? I've got a Savinelli 601 (bent billiard) churchwarden that's doing this. What causes this to occur? Generally speaking, the pipe smokes fine - I just notice a small amount of moisture on the underside of the shank sometimes while smoking it. The liquid smells like soy sauce - regardless of what blend I'm smoking.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:54 am

Does the pipe take a filter? Are you smoking it without the filter and without the insert?
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:02 am

John-Boy wrote:Does the pipe take a filter? Are you smoking it without the filter and without the insert?
Yeah, it accepts a 6mm filter. I am smoking it without a filter. What is this insert you speak of that I am apparently lacking?

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EDIT: Wait... maybe it doesn't take the filter. I just looked it up online. No mention of a filter in the product description at tobaccopipes: https://www.tobaccopipes.com/savinelli- ... acco-pipe/

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:26 am

They're plastic tubes that you put in the pipe instead of the filter. It fills up all that extra air space and cuts down on moisture build up.

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Some pipes just smoke wet. That may be what's happening combined with no filter insert and you're getting a big moisture build up.
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Bloodhound » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:29 am

Yup the site says no filter. That would also have been my first guess. Is the moister sticky or gooey at all?
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:31 am

Adam Z wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:02 am
EDIT: Wait... maybe it doesn't take the filter. I just looked it up online. No mention of a filter in the product description at tobaccopipes: https://www.tobaccopipes.com/savinelli- ... acco-pipe/
Take the stem out, look, and report back. Post a picture for our entertainment as well.
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:36 am

Bloodhound wrote:Yup the site says no filter. That would also have been my first guess. Is the moister sticky or gooey at all?
Not gooey/sticky at all. It's just a thin, clear liquid. It isn't dripping off the pipe or anything. I only notice it when my fingers/hand come into contact with it while smoking. The fit of the stem to the mortise is neither tight nor loose. I can remove the stem with ease (much more than with my other two briars) but the bowl isn't freely spinning as I smoke the pipe either. It's a relatively new pipe that I bought at the beginning of April - I've logged 18 bowls in it thus far.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:42 am

Are you eating anything sticky while smoking this particular pipe?
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by JimVH » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:46 am

I've had that happen in a non-filtered pipe before. It was from a slightly loose stem and stopped after a few smokes. Eventually the wood swells or the joint gets a little pipe gunk in it and it stops.

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Post by John-Boy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:47 am

Are you taking the stem out while smoking the pipe?
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Del » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:49 am

It's a churchwarden. That means there is a LOT of cool stem for steam to condense and run back down.

And you say that the fitting is not extremely tight. So some of that condensation will work its way out through the joint.

As previously noted -- Some pipes just smoke wet. This sounds like one.

You did not mention what you are smoking in it. An aromatic blend with some propylene glycol will condense a lot more than a purer tobacco (e.g., a virginia or va/per blend).
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:52 am

I don't have the pipe with me at the office, but as many times as I've taken it apart to clean it I can attest that there is no filter in it and no other adapter. I had first assumed that it accepted the 6mm filter because the opening on the stem *appears* to be large enough to accept it, even if it isn't advertised as such - I don't have any filters though, so I've never tried it & can't verify. It matches the pictures at Tobaccopipes that I linked to. It has 601 churchwarden stamped on the bottom of it. I'm certain that this is the same pipe. Sorry none of the pics I might post of it will do much to entertain.

I'm not eating while smoking either.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:56 am

I might have smoked an aromatic in it once or twice, but I've smoked all kinds of blends in it - Haunted Bookshop (burley), Luxury Bullseye Flake (VaPer), several bowls of Presbyterian - probably more than anything else. Last night it was Star of the East flake I smoked in it. That's a pretty wide swath of blend styles.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:58 am

John-Boy wrote:Are you taking the stem out while smoking the pipe?
Good heavens - no. I am a novice, but I know better than to do that. I understand it's a normal question to ask though.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by FredS » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:44 am

Let's clarify - As I read your comments, you seem to be saying the moisture is on the outside of the pipe, correct?
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Bloodhound » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:48 am

Sounds like Del and Jim have it nailed down. Between the looser fit and the long stem and condensation. I am bettin' Jim is right, that it will tighten up and cease to have this problem with use.
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:53 am

FredS wrote:Let's clarify - As I read your comments, you seem to be saying the moisture is on the outside of the pipe, correct?
Yes. Proceeding from where the stem and mortise meet.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by FredS » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:08 pm

Adam Z wrote:
Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:53 am
FredS wrote:Let's clarify - As I read your comments, you seem to be saying the moisture is on the outside of the pipe, correct?
Yes. Proceeding from where the stem and mortise meet.

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This is odd. I wonder if there's a crack in the shank. Moisture inside the mortise and tenon joint is an unfortunately common occurrence. But for that moisture to migrate out of the joint in an amount sufficient enough to bead up is something new. I think it unlikely that the moisture that's formed in the bottom of the mortise and tenon joint is working it's way up and out of the shoulder where the stem meets the shank. Get a magnifying glass and check for cracks, especially a crack that opens up a bit when the stem is in place.
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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by Adam Z » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:09 pm

Will do. Thanks.

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Re: Leaky pipe?

Post by SlowToke » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:59 pm

I agree with FredS. Something is wicking the moisture up the mortise wall and out to the surface. Sounds like a hairline crack. That being said, I do have a Savinelli that "sweats" on the outside of the bowl sometimes. It's not enough to bead but enough to feel the moisture on my hands. Very odd. It's a great pipe though.
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