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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by DepartedLight » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:32 pm

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Here's that dunny I was talking about. I'm having Dunhill Flake in it right now. 1 minute to go and Pens up 6 - 2 over the Islanders
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:44 pm

DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:28 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:50 pm
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:40 pm
I've had a Sav Bing Punto Oro - good example & good on ya.

The Erickson is hard for me to see. Don't Danish Pipes have to have extra duty gargantuan stems? I think it's one of their laws or something. So, you got a bootleg Erickson or, what?
It was a well-smoked estate a friend gave to me.
I don’t know its history. But the stem still had the Eriksen “E” on it so I expect it’s original.
What about the button thickness?

I am now going to text that to random work mates, just for fun.
Yeah, the button is pretty hefty.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:46 pm

DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:32 pm
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Here's that dunny I was talking about. I'm having Dunhill Flake in it right now. 1 minute to go and Pens up 6 - 2 over the Islanders
Sweet pipe!
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by DepartedLight » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:08 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:44 pm
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:28 pm
durangopipe wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:50 pm
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:40 pm
I've had a Sav Bing Punto Oro - good example & good on ya.

The Erickson is hard for me to see. Don't Danish Pipes have to have extra duty gargantuan stems? I think it's one of their laws or something. So, you got a bootleg Erickson or, what?
It was a well-smoked estate a friend gave to me.
I don’t know its history. But the stem still had the Eriksen “E” on it so I expect it’s original.
What about the button thickness?

I am now going to text that to random work mates, just for fun.
Yeah, the button is pretty hefty.
My fellow PM in California only said, "What??"

Disappointing. Let me try some others.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by JMG » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:42 pm

Cleon wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:44 am
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
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I think yer spot on with the small dunny fishtails. Really top notch. I have a group 2 Canadian fishtail - super schweet.
Wow. That one from JMG looks really good. I hope he can chime in and give his take on the particulars of making them.
You'd have to ask a real pipe maker. The only reason I've ever done a fishtail is when I've made a pipe with a smaller diameter shank and if I carried that diameter throughout the bit of the stem it would be awkwardly narrow.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:30 pm

Here’s a classy fishtail stem by one of our own pipemakers ...

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who moved to Colorado to be closer to trout.

Fishtail stem.
Closer to trout.

Coincidence?
I think not.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by Cleon » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:32 am

JMG wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:42 pm
Cleon wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:44 am
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
Image

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I think yer spot on with the small dunny fishtails. Really top notch. I have a group 2 Canadian fishtail - super schweet.
Wow. That one from JMG looks really good. I hope he can chime in and give his take on the particulars of making them.
You'd have to ask a real pipe maker. The only reason I've ever done a fishtail is when I've made a pipe with a smaller diameter shank and if I carried that diameter throughout the bit of the stem it would be awkwardly narrow.
That's what I thought - that fishtails are a practical necessity on smaller pipes or pipes with small diameter shanks. That's probably why I like them.

And knock it off. You are a REAL pipe maker.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Cleon wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:32 am
JMG wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:42 pm
Cleon wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:44 am
DepartedLight wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:39 am
Image

Image

I think yer spot on with the small dunny fishtails. Really top notch. I have a group 2 Canadian fishtail - super schweet.
Wow. That one from JMG looks really good. I hope he can chime in and give his take on the particulars of making them.
You'd have to ask a real pipe maker. The only reason I've ever done a fishtail is when I've made a pipe with a smaller diameter shank and if I carried that diameter throughout the bit of the stem it would be awkwardly narrow.
That's what I thought - that fishtails are a practical necessity on smaller pipes or pipes with small diameter shanks. That's probably why I like them.

And knock it off. You are a REAL pipe maker.
Yes, and a fine one!
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:59 pm

Seems to me, I've never seen a Churchwarden without a fishtail?!?
Is that true?

Here are a couple of mine. A Stanwell HCA and a Road Town:

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Perhaps they're traditional on Churchwardens because the wide bit helps you keep that long-stemmed pipe under control.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by SlowToke » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am

Churchwardens are always fishtails because they taper too thin for a comfortable bit otherwise and because they are premold stems.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by durangopipe » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:20 pm

SlowToke wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am
Churchwardens are always fishtails because they taper too thin for a comfortable bit otherwise and because they are premold stems.
Thanks for the info, Wayne.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by DepartedLight » Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:23 pm

SlowToke wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am
Churchwardens are always fishtails because they taper too thin for a comfortable bit otherwise and because they are premold stems.
When was the last time you made a churchwarden? Perhaps it's time to make another. Just sayin'.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by SlowToke » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:35 pm

DepartedLight wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:23 pm
SlowToke wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am
Churchwardens are always fishtails because they taper too thin for a comfortable bit otherwise and because they are premold stems.
When was the last time you made a churchwarden? Perhaps it's time to make another. Just sayin'.
I made one with a handmade acrylic stem for a CPSer a long time ago before I knew any better. :lol:
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by DepartedLight » Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:58 pm

SlowToke wrote:
Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:35 pm
DepartedLight wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:23 pm
SlowToke wrote:
Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:47 am
Churchwardens are always fishtails because they taper too thin for a comfortable bit otherwise and because they are premold stems.
When was the last time you made a churchwarden? Perhaps it's time to make another. Just sayin'.
I made one with a handmade acrylic stem for a CPSer a long time ago before I knew any better. :lol:
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by SlowToke » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 am

Oh, it's not that I dislike churchwardens. I like them very much. It's that I dislike making them because the stems are a real bear to drill. That's why almost all of them are made with premolded stems. No drilling involved. Not to mention they don't even make tapered drill bits long enough so you have to make them yourself. Once you get over that hurdle you have to deal with a long drill bit that flexes and wants to wander plus all that friction heating up your stem material. It's a real bear but it can and has been done. Just not often. The ROI is pretty low.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by UncleBob » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:07 am

SlowToke wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 am
Oh, it's not that I dislike churchwardens. I like them very much. It's that I dislike making them because the stems are a real bear to drill. That's why almost all of them are made with premolded stems. No drilling involved. Not to mention they don't even make tapered drill bits long enough so you have to make them yourself. Once you get over that hurdle you have to deal with a long drill bit that flexes and wants to wander plus all that friction heating up your stem material. It's a real bear but it can and has been done. Just not often. The ROI is pretty low.
Did you ever do a stem like this?

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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by Cleon » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:35 am

This thread is making me wish for some of the pipes I sold off. :cry:
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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by SlowToke » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:36 pm

UncleBob wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:07 am
SlowToke wrote:
Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:43 am
Oh, it's not that I dislike churchwardens. I like them very much. It's that I dislike making them because the stems are a real bear to drill. That's why almost all of them are made with premolded stems. No drilling involved. Not to mention they don't even make tapered drill bits long enough so you have to make them yourself. Once you get over that hurdle you have to deal with a long drill bit that flexes and wants to wander plus all that friction heating up your stem material. It's a real bear but it can and has been done. Just not often. The ROI is pretty low.
Did you ever do a stem like this?

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That's a big negatory.
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Re: Fishtail Stems

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Re: Fishtail Stems

Post by DepartedLight » Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:45 pm

Jocose wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:29 pm
Jocose wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:13 pm
Jocose wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 5:08 pm
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Picked up a Peterson 999 Irish Army Fishtail from a local B&M
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