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Post by Del » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:47 am

I'm kinda hoping that our new administration might be a bit more favorable to premium tobacco dealers & hobbiests.
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Post by Goose55 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:41 pm

But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
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Post by durangopipe » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:31 pm

Goose55 wrote:But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
Even less.

Although moderate pipe and cigar smokers have minimal increased medical risk (unless drinking alcohol while smoking), the fact that the tobacco cigar wrapper is in contact with the lips creates a risk of lip cancer not present for pipe smokers.

This from my brother the former oral cancer researcher.
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Post by ReverendThom » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:31 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Goose55 wrote:But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
Even less.

Although moderate pipe and cigar smokers have minimal increased medical risk (unless drinking alcohol while smoking), the fact that the tobacco cigar wrapper is in contact with the lips creates a risk of lip cancer not present for pipe smokers.

This from my brother the former oral cancer researcher.
Say what? All i do is drink when I smoke. This is bad or worse?

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Post by Sir Moose » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:38 pm

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durangopipe wrote:
Goose55 wrote:But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
Even less.

Although moderate pipe and cigar smokers have minimal increased medical risk (unless drinking alcohol while smoking), the fact that the tobacco cigar wrapper is in contact with the lips creates a risk of lip cancer not present for pipe smokers.

This from my brother the former oral cancer researcher.
Say what? All i do is drink when I smoke. This is bad or worse?

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Alcohol just before or with smoking increases the risk. Alcohol after tobacco does not. If I remember correctly (and I may not), the alcohol kills off the good flora in the mouth and throat - the good flora that should be helping to protect you from the smoke.
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Post by durangopipe » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:46 pm

Sir Moose wrote:
ReverendThom wrote:
durangopipe wrote:
Goose55 wrote:But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
Even less.

Although moderate pipe and cigar smokers have minimal increased medical risk (unless drinking alcohol while smoking), the fact that the tobacco cigar wrapper is in contact with the lips creates a risk of lip cancer not present for pipe smokers.

This from my brother the former oral cancer researcher.
Say what? All i do is drink when I smoke. This is bad or worse?

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Alcohol just before or with smoking increases the risk. Alcohol after tobacco does not. If I remember correctly (and I may not), the alcohol kills off the good flora in the mouth and throat - the good flora that should be helping to protect you from the smoke.
Yeah, we all drink and smoke. Excess seems to be the big problem . . . and excess is defined variously.
Sadly, the research is clear and the combination is deadly.

Here's a list of some of the research papers (with links to abstracts) on oral cancer where the lead researcher was Dr. Alan Mashberg. My brother did his residency with him at a VA hospital in NJ.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?te ... id=8339227

Alcohol is believed to make oral cell walls more permeable, and therefore more susceptible to the carcinogenic effects of tobacco smoke. Here's a brief explanation:

http://www.oralcancer.org/understanding ... onnection/

An unexpected discovery in one of the linked papers: beer and wine drinkers are at greater risk than whiskey drinkers!
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Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

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Post by FredS » Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:47 pm

Roadmaster wrote:Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

http://www.neurologyadvisor.com/movemen ... le/458995/
And we know anecdotally - from your experience - that it lessens or slows the progress of at least some of the effects in those who do contract Parkinson's.
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Post by Roadmaster » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:41 pm

FredS wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

http://www.neurologyadvisor.com/movemen ... le/458995/
And we know anecdotally - from your experience - that it lessens or slows the progress of at least some of the effects in those who do contract Parkinson's.
I want my 'Medical 'Tobacco' covered by insurance.
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Post by 7formy1911 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:35 pm

durangopipe wrote:
Goose55 wrote:But what about the risks of pipe smoking? Less or more than cigars?
Even less.

Although moderate pipe and cigar smokers have minimal increased medical risk (unless drinking alcohol while smoking), the fact that the tobacco cigar wrapper is in contact with the lips creates a risk of lip cancer not present for pipe smokers.

This from my brother the former oral cancer researcher.
Coffee with my pipe and I try to avoid drinking and smoking together. I actually find that coffee goes far better with a smoke than anything else.
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Post by durangopipe » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:19 pm

Roadmaster wrote:
FredS wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

http://www.neurologyadvisor.com/movemen ... le/458995/
And we know anecdotally - from your experience - that it lessens or slows the progress of at least some of the effects in those who do contract Parkinson's.
I want my 'Medical 'Tobacco' covered by insurance.
:D
I agree. Fair is fair!

Take the study to your doctor and give it a shot.
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Post by Roadmaster » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:52 am

durangopipe wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:
FredS wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

http://www.neurologyadvisor.com/movemen ... le/458995/
And we know anecdotally - from your experience - that it lessens or slows the progress of at least some of the effects in those who do contract Parkinson's.
I want my 'Medical 'Tobacco' covered by insurance.
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I agree. Fair is fair!

Take the study to your doctor and give it a shot.
If it works, get a "prescription" for Stonehaven!
If that works maybe a Dunhill could be considered a 'medical device.'

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Post by FredS » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:00 am

Roadmaster wrote:
durangopipe wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:
FredS wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:Smokers less likely to get Parkinson's Disease.

http://www.neurologyadvisor.com/movemen ... le/458995/
And we know anecdotally - from your experience - that it lessens or slows the progress of at least some of the effects in those who do contract Parkinson's.
I want my 'Medical 'Tobacco' covered by insurance.
:D
I agree. Fair is fair!

Take the study to your doctor and give it a shot.
If it works, get a "prescription" for Stonehaven!
If that works maybe a Dunhill could be considered a 'medical device.'
Oh, wouldn't that just be wonderful one finger salute to the nanny state that's been harping on the deadly sin of tobacco use for the last 50 years?
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