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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:54 am

This is a thread to discuss the Grateful Dead

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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:54 am

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Worth two Donnas (or a dozen), but I'm a big Keith Godchaux fan.

This is not to say that I have anything at all against Mydland!
:lol:

(I certainly have nothing against Keith, its just that Godchauxs are a package deal)
That is EXACTLY how I always put it. Package deal. It's what I always say to my brother, and he agrees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UcVt6or6I

Click at your own risk. Some of her singing, however, is actually not totally dismal on the studio albums. That song, though... 8O
When she is together, I like her well enough. For example, in May '77, everyone, including Donna, was doing well. I even like "Sunrise," when she isn't high as a kite. But when she is bad, it ruins the whole song for me.
Terrapin Station is a great album. I just never could get into Sunrise just as a song.
Oddly enough, I've never even heard it. 8O 8O 8O Rhino released all the studio albums and some live albums in two box sets, but I've never brought myself to spend what it would take to get them. When I am going to spend money as opposed to just downloading a soundboard, my priorities always seem to lie with whole shows, not studio stuff. I'm sure you understand.
Oh, I can certainly understand preference for the Dead live, but Terrapin Station? It's kind of a rock-symphony in the complete, studio version, and is one of the songs I prefer in the studio version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotatio ... AIvo6QkOgc
Okay. It is on my listening list.

Just curious, have you ever heard Hartford, 3/28/77?
That is 5/28/77, not 3/28/77, unless my (1995) copy of Deadbase IX is wrong (there are alleged to be a few mistakes), and I've probably heard it, but can't remember off the top of my head.

Quick listen to the first minute or so of Promised Land and Estimated Prophet, and does not sound immediately familiar. Would have to either listen to the whole thing (between-song banter helps), or dig to see if I have the CD (an hour-long project).

I'll give the show a listen, though maybe not right now. Something for tonight, I think.
:oops: Yes, it is May. I mentioned it because this show has quite a few songs from Terrapin.[/quote]

Dead Vortex! Dead Vortex! :guitar:[/quote]
I find it odd that no one else has joined in. Surely they must realize the delights to be found in May '77.[/quote]

Was an interesting time for the 8 year old me despite not knowing who the Dead were at the time. My brother was born 3/26/77, and I think I saw Star Wars in the theater that summer, the same day we went to the circus and my mom got hit on by a carnie...

one doesn't forget things like that.[/quote]
My memories from that time period are a little dim. I was 5. The Dead had just completed their Europe tour when I was born.[/quote]

For some reason, I was thinking you were slightly older rather than slightly younger than me...[/quote]
I darn sure look older.[/quote]

I stopped being carded for alcohol when I went bald at age 23 or so...[/quote]
:lol:

When I went to see Sunshine Daydream in the theater last summer (from August 27, 1972, I think), I noticed a strange phenomena. Almost everyone there was too young to have seen the Dead live, though their devotion was apparent:

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It's a great thing to see! I consider myself lucky to have caught three shows, and really like to see youngsters discover the band.

I'll tell you my memories someday of 8-9-95, the day Jerry died, but it's a long story, and might have a couple non-CPS appropriate parts.[/quote]
My mom called me to see if I was okay.[/quote]

Day started for me with my mom casually telling me in the driveway as I was leaving for work: "you know that fellow from that band you and Tyler like just died?" <redacted_emoji>

Oops; broke the vortex...[/quote]
I fixed it. For posterity.

I've been listening to a little more of 3/24-26/90; good stuff.[/quote]

My, but those mysterious, magical, mystifying mod powers move me to a modicum of mortified modesty...

90 shows are great.[/quote]
My mod powers only work inside of one hidden forum (CPS ministry). I just amended the vortex the old fashioned way.

89-90 was a time of renaissance. People who were able to see those shows saw the Dead at one of their highest points.[/quote]

Jerry's diabetic coma in the late 80s, had to relearn how to play guitar! Some of those shows in I believe 86 or so could be sad to watch (and hear).

He sure bounced back in the 90s.[/quote]
68-69, 72, 74, 77, 89-90.[/quote]

Of course, all those years are great, but you didn't mention my sentimental favorite year, 1970. Those acoustic sets...[/quote]
We could easily have a vortex on Harpur College.[/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1IWty7cZIk[/quote]
And who can forget Feb 13-14 at the Fillmore East? It doesn't get much better. The Allman Brothers and Love played that night as well.[/quote]

Can't remember off the top of my head the show where the Dead and Allmans played together...[/quote]
7/7/69 Atlanta; 2/11 and 2/14/70 at the Fillmore East; 5/10/70; 11/21/70; and apparently about a dozen other times, according to the interwebs... including Watkins Glen. http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/ ... -dead.html

I didn't know there was more than one.[/quote]

I thought maybe there were 2 (I mean with them on the stage at the same time, or at least Duane and maybe Gregg). Do you mean that, or shows where both bands played their own sets?[/quote]
The article I quotes does not clearly distinguish between the two, but there appears to have been several times when they actually jammed together.[/quote]

Very cool. My brother probably knew this.[/quote]
Here is a list based on Deadbase[/quote]This got lost above... 2/11/70 Lovelight with both bands[/quote]

Of course all I had to do was to get off my butt and fetch Deadbase from the closet, but that's an eight-foot walk all the way to the other side of the room!

Am debating a walk to the kitchen for a beer, but three beers would make me batty as the three bears right now...

could spice up the almighty vortex, though. In a good way? Well, it's like a Dead show. You never knew what you would hear, and though they rarely played badly, they didn't always play great. Some trainwrecks from time to time...need to find that recording of when they attempted to play Doin' That Rag live (a song which intentionally uses I believe every major and minor triad, or at least enharmonic equivalents) and simply fell apart towards the end...[/quote]
I'll bet that Phil had a lot of input on "Doin' that Rag"[/quote]

Probably so with his classical training. I think (though this is a guess) that Jerry also thought it would be cool to have a song using basically every possible major and minor triad. Not sure it's EVERY SINGLE ONE, 12 major/12 minor, but it is at least close.[/quote]
Presently: "Mason's Children" from Fallout from the Phil Zone[/quote]

Unusual, but good song. I like how they did it in the really, really early years. 1966, that is...[/quote]
List your favorite years[/quote]

It's like listing desert island blends, but just for kicks (though I could change my mind before you reply):

1966
1968
1970
1972
1977
1980
1990[/quote]
Maybe we should say what are the three desert island years... At any rate, I think I'm changing my 60's years to 66 and 68. Valentine's Day '68 in the Carousel Ballroom is quality.

One of these days, I need some suggestions for shows from 1980.[/quote]

The Warfield shows: 9-25-80, 9/26, 9/27, 9/29, 9/30, 10/2-3-4, 10/6-7-9-10-11-13-14. All begin with an acoustic set.[/quote]
Very, very nice. bt.etree.org, here I come.[/quote]

It is an encyclopedic revival of the acoustic phase from 1970, right after Keith died.[/quote]
I just got the torrent information for a couple of them; 10/2 and 14. "Alabama Getaway" is on both. I like that one.[/quote]

Can't imagine why... :wink:[/quote]
:D[/quote]

I like Alabama Getaway in a quirky sort of way, for its quirkiness. I still think it's kind of a strange song.

I have only ridden through Alabama once, c. 1983, when a childhood friend (he was not a good friend, I now see; a truly spiteful person in his teen years who loved to build himself up by tearing others down, an atheist who loved to claim he was possessed by Satan; nice stuff like that) and I went to Florida on a road trip to meet some of the members of his family who were peculiar in more positive ways.

His dad decided not to take the Interstate, but to take state roads from NC to Ft. Walton Beach through SC, Alabama...

I'm sure Alabama is great, but we were going down those backroads with ramshackle shacks half of which were inhabited and seemed to have no electricity, and AC through the holes in the roof. Towns with kids walking down Main Street barefoot...

Don't worry: plenty of places in VA and NC like that, and nothing could be worse than a major city, except around the edges of them.[/quote]
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Post by gaining_age » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:03 am

Grateful dead.... that's me!

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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:06 am

Cool...

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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:07 am

Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
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Post by UncleBob » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:10 am

I have never done illicit drugs so the soulful subtleties of the Grateful Dead have always eluded me.
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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:11 am

fisherofpipes wrote:Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
Yes, though variations of this oral history are common, possibly due the condition of mind that the band members were in at the time. The previous band name, The Warlocks, was already taken by another band. Jerry allegedly was flipping through a dictionary/encyclopedia/some book, and landed upon the name randomly.
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Post by Eric » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:13 am

I have all their studio albums, and play & sing some tunes such as Box of Rain, Dire Wolf, Working Man's Blues, etc.

From the Dead, I'd learned and collected Garcia and Grisman. Purchasing a Garcia/Grisman CD at Border's in the mid 90's the crispy crunchy looking cashier had asked me if I'd ever heard of "Old & In the Way", then she took the time to tell me a little about Bluegrass.

That conversation changed my life and precipitated my conversion which was fed by countless hours of listening to Bluegrass Gospel. Atheists/Agnostics should never listen to Bluegrass Gospel! :wink:

So, indirectly, you could say listening to the Dead lead to my conversion and being in Christ.

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Post by gaining_age » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:14 am

I thought it was just a "touch of grey"
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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:15 am

coco wrote:
fisherofpipes wrote:Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
Yes, though variations of this oral history are common, possibly due the condition of mind that the band members were in at the time. The previous band name, The Warlocks, was already taken by another band. Jerry allegedly was flipping through a dictionary/encyclopedia/some book, and landed upon the name randomly.
Exactly correct, but what is a Grateful Dead?
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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:27 am

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fisherofpipes wrote:Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
Yes, though variations of this oral history are common, possibly due the condition of mind that the band members were in at the time. The previous band name, The Warlocks, was already taken by another band. Jerry allegedly was flipping through a dictionary/encyclopedia/some book, and landed upon the name randomly.
Exactly correct, but what is a Grateful Dead?
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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:34 am

coco wrote:
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fisherofpipes wrote:Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
Yes, though variations of this oral history are common, possibly due the condition of mind that the band members were in at the time. The previous band name, The Warlocks, was already taken by another band. Jerry allegedly was flipping through a dictionary/encyclopedia/some book, and landed upon the name randomly.
Exactly correct, but what is a Grateful Dead?
a benevolent ancestor in animistic religions
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/gdead/faq/name.html
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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:36 am

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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:37 am

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fisherofpipes wrote:Does anyone remember the story of how they got their name, accurately, without cheating (or even looking at a book)?
Yes, though variations of this oral history are common, possibly due the condition of mind that the band members were in at the time. The previous band name, The Warlocks, was already taken by another band. Jerry allegedly was flipping through a dictionary/encyclopedia/some book, and landed upon the name randomly.
Exactly correct, but what is a Grateful Dead?
a benevolent ancestor in animistic religions
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mleone/gdead/faq/name.html
And according to some versions of the story, the two words are not connected in any way, they just sound cool together.
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Post by Cleon » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:37 am

UncleBob wrote:I have never done illicit drugs so the soulful subtleties of the Grateful Dead have always eluded me.
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Post by coco » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:39 am

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UncleBob wrote:I have never done illicit drugs so the soulful subtleties of the Grateful Dead have always eluded me.
Can you make a "Worst Thread of 2013" category for the CPS Awards?
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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:43 am

I may actually end up reading this book, though...
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Post by Cleon » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:45 am

coco wrote:
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UncleBob wrote:I have never done illicit drugs so the soulful subtleties of the Grateful Dead have always eluded me.
Can you make a "Worst Thread of 2013" category for the CPS Awards?
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Post by fisherofpipes » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:13 am

Cleon wrote:
coco wrote:
Cleon wrote:
UncleBob wrote:I have never done illicit drugs so the soulful subtleties of the Grateful Dead have always eluded me.
Can you make a "Worst Thread of 2013" category for the CPS Awards?
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*fisherofpipes - Pick one of his hallucinogenic, no sleep, stream of consciousness threads.
You should see my threads elsewhere!

...on second thought...

8O

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Rats-Ca ... ods?page=1

That one's harmless, though the site as a whole has some bad neighborhoods. When I do late threads there, there are more replies, because the site is more international and just has more people on at all hours.
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Post by infidel » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:21 am

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