Smoking in the church. Can you imagine?!

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Smoking in the church. Can you imagine?!

Post by ReverendThom » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:05 pm

Hey all. I thought maybe this would be a fitting first blog post to share here :)

http://mikethom.ca/smoking-in-the-churc ... u-imagine/
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Post by FredS » Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:40 pm

Nice blog.

But. . .

You've still labeled smoking as a 'struggle' one would be best rid of. Probably, if the addiction or habit were in some way separating the smoker from God then it should be given up, but if it does not hinder ones worship then why even struggle with it? Why is it any more a negative habit than reading the newspaper and having a cup of coffee or a doughnut every morning? I know there are plenty of smokers out there (and here a CPS) that attend churches where it's discouraged or even forbidden so they have to almost be sneaky about it. But I would never darken the door of a church that made me feel I had to hide my pipe smoking. Or my doughnuts.
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Post by Thunktank » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:00 pm

Smoking just is. We know that too much smoking can negatively effect our health. But pipe smoking in moderation has increased the quality of my life. I've even made some really good friends through this hobby which is good for our health, I don't smoke much anymore, I have diabetes. . . Not bad mind you,but it's there. When I got diagnosed with that I lost 70 lbs because I got this disease because I was a glutton. I don't smoke much anymore either because the risk to my quality of my life due to that. Others must weigh their values and risks. Every time we get in a car to meet friends we risk getting in an accident. Life is all about risk management. If I didn't have diabetes I would smoke a pipe more often, but not too much. But still, a pipe every now and then simply isn't a problem. What could possible be the problem?

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Post by ReverendThom » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:03 pm

FredS wrote:Nice blog.

But. . .
Thanks, Fred. I understand what you're saying and the concern. Cultural context here is that cigarette smoking is a "struggle," and I'd say it's pretty fair to say that most Christian cigarette smokers I know are indeed struggling to give it up. Half the point was it's no worse than a lot of other things Christians struggle with (over-eating, anger, foul language, whatever). The smoker doesn't have the luxury of "hiding" it, however, when they come to church. The main point being creating faith communities where we come openly and honestly with whatever we're struggling, and like the cigarette smoker at church, butt it out for others to see and support us, rather than hiding it and covering it up.
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Post by SmokinGordon » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:36 pm

When I grow up, I want to look like Mrs. Coco's grandpa. :D
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Post by ReverendThom » Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:40 pm

SmokinGordon wrote:viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38667
BOOM! Love it. Thanks for sharing
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Re: Smoking in the church. Can you imagine?!

Post by CaptainBlack » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:32 pm

Most coffee drinkers are to degree addicted caffeine. I can stop anytime what will suffer from a headache without the one cup. And it was one of the most “respectable” vices in church.

Consumption of junk food? We’ve raised that to an art form at church picnics and fellowship times following services.

It’s easy to accept behavior that’s prevalent in our society.

Smokers? They’re easy targets. The practice not only carries health risks but undeniably has killed many. Stopping them from smoking is an act of mercy. Stop them and you’ll save their lives … and their souls too! Because well what kind of person still smokes these days? And how can a person be saved if he or she smokes?

It’s easy to condiment behavior that’s frowned upon in our society.

I’ve known many Christians who’ve handled this issue well. The pastor of a church I attended in New Jersey had no problem whatsoever with my pipe smoking. In fact he told me that some churches in area where tobacco is produced are ok with it but consider drinking to be a sin – and vice versa. He asked me to be an elder. The pastor of my current church stops short of calling consumption of alcohol a sin. We discussed at this length and for various he is very uncomfortable with it. He did his best to defend his viewpoint from a Scripture and personal experience. But we didn’t reach agreement that evening. And I’m ok with that. We’re all in different places. Needless to say, I didn’t bring up the fact that I smoke a pipe. I tell myself that it’s a wise move because of the weaker brother teaching in the Bible but what it comes down to is, I don’t want to be judged. I’m not alone and that’s unfortunate.

This not only hampers the spiritual growth of those in the smoking community but can be a real barrier to sharing the Gospel with them.

It takes a really special church to overcome prejudice in this area. Those churches are few and far between.

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Post by sweetandsour » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:58 pm

I had a job as janitor at a church local to the campus when I was in college. There were ashtrays in the classrooms and also in the choir room. There were even burn tracks and cigarette butts on top of the piano. I simply couldn't believe it, and told the pastor very frankly that it was hard for me to respect the property when the congregation there obviously didn't ... and he agreed. Smoking in the church buildings? Yes, I can imagine.
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Post by Winton » Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:29 am

I am opposed to smoking at church, for a completely different reason. My wife is dangerously allergic to smoke and lots of other thing. Also she is very asthmatic. Being around smoke hinders her ability to breathe. I take lots of precautions to make sure I don't hurt her. I once visited a church that had signs in the bathrooms asking people not to wear perfume etc, since there was someone at church that was very allergic to scents.

In cases like this, Christian freedom is trumped by protecting other believers. There is also the don't make the weaker brother sin issue.

I have not completely thought through this issue. I am only throwing up the two issues that first came to mind.

I do appreciate the main idea of the blog.

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Post by UncleBob » Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:41 am

When I was a UMC pastor, I would often smoke my pipe in my office.
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Post by spiritfilled » Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:02 am

Nice blog. You are exactly right, the smokers in church are very easily identifiable. I can smell it on them when they walk in. But guess what? That smell is no different than the smell of my yelling tirade at the kids on the way to church because we were 5 minutes late. No one else can smell it, but God sure can. Or the guy who reeks of porn websites in Sunday School, the woman who wasted money on expensive high heels at the mall instead of helping the "gross man" sitting under the tree in the parking lot, and the teen who dresses one way at home and changes in the bathroom when she gets to school into something that reveals her body so boys will like her. Yep. We ALL smell. Thankfully our God can wash the smell away. Thanks for the reminder.
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Re: Smoking in the church. Can you imagine?!

Post by SmokinGordon » Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:28 am

"Smoking in the church. Can you imagine?"

Sounds like a great song title, eh? [BBvideo 560,340]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYhGi65Lijg[/BBvideo]
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