Introduction to Fountain Pens

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:54 pm

Pilot Metropolitan arrived yesterday.
A bottle of Private Reserve Tanzanite ink arrived today.

I left my good journal up at school; so, this legal pad had to do:

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Thanks for the tips, Coco.
The pen worked perfectly from the instant it hit the paper!
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:45 pm

Well . . .

Stumbled across this Jinhao X750 on eBay. It very much reminds me of a sparking Parker fountain pen, likely from the 40s, that my mother used when I was a child:

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My mother had wonderfully elegant handwriting and always used a fountain pen.
I remember the smell of the ink she used.

These pens are bringing all of that back.

I made an extravagant $4.00 offer.
We shall see.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

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durangopipe wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:54 pm
Pilot Metropolitan arrived yesterday.
A bottle of Private Reserve Tanzanite ink arrived today.

I left my good journal up at school; so, this legal pad had to do:

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Thanks for the tips, Coco.
The pen worked perfectly from the instant it hit the paper!
What a deep purple ink color. It really does seem to match tanzanite.

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by coco » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:03 am

Leftie stuff:

Regarding leftie inks, here is a sample pack from Goulet
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Oddly, the other major vendors don't seem to have such.

Regarding paper: Avoid Tomoe River paper. It increases drying times, which is great for shading, but not great for lefties. HP Premium Choice Laserjet paper might be a good choice for everyday use. It is slightly more absorbent than Clairfontain/Rhodia, but still allows for great shading and is thick enough that it resists bleedthrough.

Regarding Chinese pens: The Jinhao 159, X750, and X450 may have nibs that are too broad for your liking. If so, you can replace the nibs with a fine or extra-fine #6 nib, sold by Vanness, Anderson, Goulet, etc.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by rgcurrey » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:07 pm

I always wanted a Waterman fountain pen back when I was in college. After school I grabbed a Waterman Rollerball due to having a fifty dollar credit at an online dealer of goods and the pen was $49.99. I now run it with G2 gel refills as Waterman wants $8 for one rollerball refill. All this to say that thanks to this tread I started looking at Waterman fountain pens on ebay again.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:29 pm

rgcurrey wrote:
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I always wanted a Waterman fountain pen back when I was in college. After school I grabbed a Waterman Rollerball due to having a fifty dollar credit at an online dealer of goods and the pen was $49.99. I now run it with G2 gel refills as Waterman wants $8 for one rollerball refill. All this to say that thanks to this tread I started looking at Waterman fountain pens on ebay again.
Yeah, this forum is a budget buster for sure!
Have fun.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:38 pm

Patience is not one of my virtues. The medium point Jinhaos are going to take a while to get here. I came across this Parker Urban on eBay. It was from a shop in Rhode Island. I suspect the shop was closing them out - this was the last one. They go for around $40 on Amazon. I paid $19.99 for it, with shipping. About a buck more than I paid for the Pilot Metropolitan.

I don't know if it's the medium point or the quality of the nib (or both), but this pen feels much better in my hand and writes much more smoothly. I like it.

A lot.

And I'm very happy to discover that the fast drying Tanzanite ink hasn't smeared with either pen!

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:20 pm

Fountain Pen Newbie update:

I've spent a grand total of $74.25 on fountain pens and $23.96 on ink. Less than a $100 - a slew of pens to play with and a lot of ink.

The following pens have arrived, and I've written with them a fair bit with two inks (Private Reserve Tanzanite and Private Reserve American Blue Fast Dry):

Jinhao X450, X750; Pilot Metroplolitan; Parker Urban II and IM

Still on the way:

Jinhao 159 and 911; Parker Frontier


As of today, my favorite by far is the Parker Urban II. The fit and finish are better than any of the other pens. The Pilot and the Parker IM are very nice. The Jinhaos are good pens, I believe, but you can definitely tell that they are made with less care.

I have high hopes for the Parker Frontier, and I'm eager to see and play with the "hidden nib" on the Jinhao 911.

I suspect I'll be keeping the Parkers and the Pilot and sending the Jinhaos to my son, unless the 159 is awesome, in which case I may keep it simply for its similarity to the Mont Blanc 149.

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Now, I need to work on my long neglected penmanship, which sucks eggs!

I taught my last class of the term on Thursday. I have stacks of papers to grade, but will be done and have my grades posted by next Monday. Graduation and a few awards ceremonies to come, then I'll be done for the summer and journaling with the pens daily. I also have a volume of poetry to finish, and I think I may see what writing with a fountain pen does for my writing. It feels far more thoughtful and intimate, somehow, than pounding on a keyboard.

Thanks again for the tips, Coco. Fast drying inks and fine tip pens have definitely solved the lefty smearing issue. :thumbsup:
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by Gabriel » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm

Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by gaining_age » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:27 am

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm
Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
My wife and I were looking for a metallic color---ended up seeking copper.

The Private Reserve Copper Burst is a nice brown. Brown with a little different look to it (not as metallic as we had thought but a pleasant brown color).

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:15 am

Gabriel wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm
Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
Yes. I’m afraid so!
I’d been considering the leap for some time.
All I needed was a nudge in that direction.

So much of my work involves writing instruments it was only a matter of time.

So far, Ink Acquisition Disorder does not appear likely.
Mostly, I think, this has more to do with nostalgia than anything else.

A nice purple and a solid blue will, I suspect, be all I ever need.
But as in all things acquisitional, we shall see.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by Qubit » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 am

I use a blue Pilot Varsity currently. I think a three pack cost me $8. The ink flows a bit too well, making fine writing difficult. Bleeds a lot. The best pens I've tried were $1 on eBay, from China. I guess fountain pens are ideal for writing Chinese characters, so they are cheap and efficient and readily available. I've always been a pen guy, but can't justify spending a lot of money on them. Same with pipes! My best smoker is a $30 value pipe.

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

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Gabriel wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm
Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
Waterman Absolute Brown is what I am using. It's a dark chocolate brown with maybe, and I do say maybe, a hint of red. Depends on the light and the paper.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by coco » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:30 am

gaining_age wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:27 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm
Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
My wife and I were looking for a metallic color---ended up seeking copper.

The Private Reserve Copper Burst is a nice brown. Brown with a little different look to it (not as metallic as we had thought but a pleasant brown color).

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Check out Diamine Ancient Copper. It isn't sparkling or sheening, but it is a very nice shade of copper. No other ink is like it.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by gaining_age » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:28 pm

coco wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:30 am
gaining_age wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:27 am
Gabriel wrote:
Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:06 pm
Wow! Jumped in with both feet, eh?

I’ve nearly finished off the ink that came with my pen and I still haven’t ordered more. Oops.

Recommendations on a nice brown ink? Would love a darkish brown.
My wife and I were looking for a metallic color---ended up seeking copper.

The Private Reserve Copper Burst is a nice brown. Brown with a little different look to it (not as metallic as we had thought but a pleasant brown color).

Image
Check out Diamine Ancient Copper. It isn't sparkling or sheening, but it is a very nice shade of copper. No other ink is like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeho8-7AsDM
Interestingly, we had ordered Diamine Ancient Copper as well. We took more to the Burst than to the Ancient. We still have it-- I'll need to revisit since you've brought it up again.

My current color is Burst in the Nemosine and the Pilot peacock in my Waterman nib in the Noodler's nib creeper.
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by durangopipe » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm

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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by Gabriel » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:19 am

Alrighty, the paperwork that came with my pen obviously pushes Iroshizuku ink. I've done a little poking around on Amazon, and it appears that the Iroshizuku sells for approximately twice as much as Noodler's, depending on individual color and seller of course. Am I missing something here? I'm looking for a nice dark brown - the Iroshizuku Dark Walnut looks like a great fit, but is $18 for 50ml while the Noodler's Walnut is $16 - 26 (depending on seller) for 3oz.

Is this a quirk of Amazon, or are the Pilot inks just that much more expensive?
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Re: Introduction to Fountain Pens

Post by coco » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:46 pm

Gabriel wrote:
Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:19 am
Alrighty, the paperwork that came with my pen obviously pushes Iroshizuku ink. I've done a little poking around on Amazon, and it appears that the Iroshizuku sells for approximately twice as much as Noodler's, depending on individual color and seller of course. Am I missing something here? I'm looking for a nice dark brown - the Iroshizuku Dark Walnut looks like a great fit, but is $18 for 50ml while the Noodler's Walnut is $16 - 26 (depending on seller) for 3oz.

Is this a quirk of Amazon, or are the Pilot inks just that much more expensive?
Noodlers and Monteverde are among the most affordable per milliliter. Iroshizuku is more expensive, but not as expensive as some others. It isn't necessarily that much better. (Rusty used to have a spreadsheet of price per milliliter for all the different brands.)

For dark browns, I have Noodler's Walnut, which is almost black, and Monteverde Brown Sugar. I can send you samples if you want.
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