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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Del » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:43 am

wosbald wrote:
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by UncleBob » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:23 am

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." - Robert A. Heinlein

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by tuttle » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:50 am

I remember talking about this a few years ago here: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10288&start=1380#p947439

Looks like their membership has grown by 1500 since 2015 (and weird that the nordic business insider used a 3 year old quote).

I still think it's weird to build a temple dedicated to a god whose followers publicly declare disbelief in. Sounds like new-agey pagan romanticism appealing to some sense of nordic heritage nostalgia. Seems to me building a temple for a god you disbelieve in dishonors your traditions far more than it enhances/re-captures them.

EDIT: This seems like something Rusty would comment on again. I miss him.
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Re: Faith in the News

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Pope: Truces imposed by force won’t bring peace to Middle East [In-Depth]
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Pope Francis is flanked by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, left, as he arrives to host a daylong prayer for peace in the Middle East with an unprecedented gathering of Orthodox patriarchs and Catholic leaders in Bari, southern Italy, Saturday, July 7, 2018. (Credit: AP Photo/Alessandra Tarantino)

ROME — Closing an ecumenical encounter with Christian leaders from the Middle East, Pope Francis on Saturday said that “truces maintained by walls and displays of power will not lead to peace,” only a concrete desire to engage in dialogue will work.

He also called for an end to the region being used for “gains that have nothing to do with the Middle East,” and demanded that Christians are treated as “full citizens.”

“With deep anguish, but with constant hope, we turn our gaze to Jerusalem, a city for all peoples, a unique and sacred city for Christians, Jews and Muslims the world over,” Francis said, calling for the status quo to be respected, as it has been decided by the international community and “repeatedly requested by the Christian communities of the Holy Land.”

The term “status quo” in the context of Jerusalem refers to an agreement among the various Christian churches of the city regulating control and access to holy sites.

According to the pontiff, only a negotiated solution between Israelis and Palestinians, which has to be “firmly willed and promoted by the international community,” will lead to lasting peace and guarantee the “coexistence of two states for two peoples.”

The pope’s words came at the closing of an ecumenical encounter he hosted in the southern Italian city of Bari, a pilgrimage site for both Catholics and Orthodox, often described as the ecumenical city par excellence. The leaders came together under the motto “Peace be upon you! Christians together for the Middle East.”

Standing next to the heads or representatives of several Orthodox churches, Oriental Orthodox churches, the Assyrian Orthodox church, members of Catholic Oriental churches, a representative for the Lutheran church, and one for the Middle East Council of Churches, Francis said that the group had committed itself to “walking, praying and working together, in the hope that the art of encounter will prevail over strategies of conflict.”

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Christian leaders arrive at the Basilica of St. Nicholas in Bari, Italy, July 7. Pope Francis is meeting Christian leaders for an ecumenical day of prayer for peace in the Middle East. (Credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)

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As the pontiff noted, Christianity was born in the Middle East, and Christians too have the right to be treated as “full citizens with equal rights.”

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“Let there be an end to the few profiting from the sufferings of many!” the pontiff said. “No more occupying territories and thus tearing people apart! No more letting half-truths continue to frustrate people’s aspirations! Let there be an end to using the Middle East for gains that have nothing to do with the Middle East!”

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Pope Francis, background center, gathers with Orthodox patriarchs and Catholic leaders inside the St. Nicholas Basilica on the occasion of a daylong prayer for peace in the Middle East in Bari, southern Italy, Saturday, July 7, 2018. Pope Francis is on a one-day pilgrimage to Bari, an Adriatic port city, to reflect and pray on the plight of Christians in the Middle East. (Credit: AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

War, he argued, is the “scourge that tragically assails this beloved region,” with the poor being the principal victims, and war itself being the “daughter of power and poverty,” hence it’s to be defeated by “renouncing the thirst for supremacy and by eradicating poverty.”

He also acknowledged that many conflicts have been stoked by forms of fundamentalism that, “under the guise of religion,” profaned God’s name, which is peace.

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Re: Faith in the News

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Christian college in India attacked by a mob; teachers, staff assaulted
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MUMBAI, India — A Christian college in India was attacked by a mob on Wednesday, beating up staff and teachers.

About 40 members of Akhil Bharatiya Vidyarthi Parishad (ABVP), a Hindu-nationalist student organization, allegedly assaulted the proctorial board staff and teachers at St Andrew’s College in Gorakhpur, in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh. The college is over 100 years old, and affiliated with the Church of North India, which is part of the Anglican communion.

“They (ABVP activists) were alleging corruption in the institute. Around 40 of them barged into the office and wanted to meet me. The staff told them that a delegation of only 5-6 people can be allowed to meet the principal. This infuriated them and they started assaulting members of the proctorial board. They even beat up non-teaching staff,” JK Lal, the principal of the college, told the National Herald.

The principal also said the college administration has written a letter to Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath, who is a native of Gorakhpur.

The ABVP has denied the allegations and said they held a peaceful protest, despite CCTV footage of the event.

“The college staff tried to interrupt the peaceful protest by ABVP workers and clashed with them,” ABVP media chief Prakash Aditya Pandey told the Hindustan Times.

The ABVP is affiliated with the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the same Hindu nationalist group which is associated with the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), India’s ruling party.

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Re: Faith in the News

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by UncleBob » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:15 am

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Many of the points here, taken to their logical conclusions, don't hold up to logic; they're simply Godded-up ways of saying "I don't like that." - Skip

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Jester » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:23 pm

About 25 miles from where I live.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/c ... 13195.html
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Re: Faith in the News

Post by tuttle » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:47 am

In the context of this rising persecution Chinese Christian leaders have issued a public statement. You can read all of it here, but it concludes this way:
For the sake of faith and conscience, for the spiritual benefits of the authorities in China and of society as a whole, and ultimately for the glory, holiness, and righteousness of God, we make the following declaration to the Chinese government and to all of society:

1. Christian churches in China believe unconditionally that the Bible is the Word and Revelation of God. It is the source and final authority of all righteousness, ethics, and salvation. If the will of any political party, the laws of any government, or the commands of any man directly violate the teachings of the Bible, harming men’s souls and opposing the gospel proclaimed by the church, we are obligated to obey God rather than men, and we are obligated to teach all members of the church to do the same.

2. Christian churches in China are eager and determined to walk the path of the cross of Christ and are more than willing to imitate the older generation of saints who suffered and were martyred for their faith. We are willing and obligated under any circumstance to face all government persecution, misunderstanding, and violence with peace, patience, and compassion. For when churches refuse to obey evil laws, it does not stem from any political agenda; it does not stem from resentment or hostility; it stems only from the demands of the gospel and from a love for Chinese society.

3. Christian churches in China are willing to obey authorities in China whom God has appointed and to respect the government's authority to govern society and human conduct. We believe and are obligated to teach all believers in the church that the authority of the government is from God and that as long as the government does not overstep the boundaries of secular power laid out in the Bible and does not interfere with or violate anything related to faith or the soul, Christians are obligated to respect the authorities, to pray fervently for their benefit, and to pray earnestly for Chinese society. For the sake of the gospel, we are willing to suffer all external losses brought about by unfair law enforcement. Out of a love for our fellow citizens, we are willing to give up all of our earthly rights.

4. For this reason, we believe and are obligated to teach all believers that all true churches in China that belong to Christ must hold to the principle of the separation of church and state and must proclaim Christ as the sole head of the church. We declare that in matters of external conduct, churches are willing to accept lawful oversight by civil administration or other government departments as other social organizations do. But under no circumstances will we lead our churches to join a religious organization controlled by the government, to register with the religious administration department, or to accept any kind of affiliation. We also will not accept any “ban” or “fine” imposed on our churches due to our faith. For the sake of the gospel, we are prepared to bear all losses—even the loss of our freedom and our lives.
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Re: Faith in the News

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A ‘third way’ of looking at religion. Unthinkable: Two dead philosophers could provide the key to a more mature debate on faith
The visit of Pope Francis to Ireland has led to calls for a new type of dialogue between religious and non-religious people. Some Catholics claim to be “persecuted” because their views are robustly challenged. Some atheists take offence at the mere existence of faith-based organisations.

At the heart of this debate is how to understand religion: is it a kind of club in which you accept a set of metaphysical beliefs? Or is it a practice in which you show commitment to a way of life?

Pope Francis seems to be firmly in the latter camp, which is also where many secular philosophers reside. Two influential thinkers in this regard were the Dane Søren Kierkegaard (1813-1855) and the Austrian (and occasional Irish resident) Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889-1951). “Both Wittgenstein and Kierkegaard believe that religious belief is arational – that is to say, that it is neither rational nor irrational,” explains Genia Schönbaumsfeld who is speaking at the HowTheLightGetsIn philosophy festival in London this month.

Wittgenstein was heavily influenced by Kierkegaard, she says, and together they provide a “third way” of thinking about religion. Taking the Unthinkable interview chair on the column’s return, Schönbaumsfeld says: “Given the ascendancy of religious violence and fundamentalism in large parts of the contemporary world, such a ‘third way’ of conceiving of religious belief is more necessary than ever.”
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Post by jasonsilver » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:27 pm

What about faith represented in mainstream media? I've been amazed at the different kinds of shows that seem to sneak in Christianity in a NOT awful way.

For example, my wife and I have been watching "The Frankenstein Chronicles" with Sean Bean. It was the second or third movie I'd seen with Bean in it where he represented spirituality or faith in a faintly (or downright outright) way, so I did some reading.

At least one site quoted him as saying he was a Christian, which I didn't realize before.

The other movie was "Broken,"
Father Michael Kerrigan, a modern, but maverick, Catholic priest, juggles parochial problems with personal challenges as he presides over his tight-knit Northern urban parish.
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Post by UncleBob » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:19 pm

"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." - Robert A. Heinlein

"Many of the points here, taken to their logical conclusions, don't hold up to logic; they're simply Godded-up ways of saying "I don't like that." - Skip

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." -Mark Twain

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Re: Faith in the News

Post by Jester » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:51 am

Leon Lederman, 96, Explorer (and Explainer) of the Subatomic World, Dies
“There’s always a place at the edge of our knowledge, where what’s beyond is unimaginable, and that edge, of course, moves,” Dr. Lederman told The Times in 1998.

In the beginning were the laws of physics. But where did the laws come from? At that point, he said, “You’re stuck.”

“I usually say, ‘Go across the street to the theology school, and ask those guys, because I don’t know.’ ”
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